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Originally posted by waynos
When you mention the F-35A and C getting TVC you raise another question for me. Can the F-35B vector its thrust while in forward flight? I've seen videos of it transitioning from horizontal to vertical and the way the nozzle works does'n't appear to lend itself particularly well to what the Harrier crews call 'Viffing'?
Originally posted by roniii259
None of the F-35 variants caan use thrust vectoring in regular flight. Even if the F-35 does get thrust vectoring, the F-35b/c do no have an internal cannon, one must be installed replacing a JDAm/AMRAAm bay or carried on an external pod. The JSF will never be much of a dogfighter, which is a real big shame.
Originally posted by Hockeyguy567
Air-to-air wise, I would rate it just behind the F-22, it will incorporate stealth, the AN/APG-81 AESA Radar, and the AIM-120D, not to mention the AIM-9X with JHMCS. I would not underestimate this aircraft, at all.
The F-35B and F-35C won't have an internal cannon, but they can be fitted with an external cannon.
[edit on 12-9-2004 by Hockeyguy567]
Originally posted by roniii259
Originally posted by Hockeyguy567
Air-to-air wise, I would rate it just behind the F-22, it will incorporate stealth, the AN/APG-81 AESA Radar, and the AIM-120D, not to mention the AIM-9X with JHMCS. I would not underestimate this aircraft, at all.
The F-35B and F-35C won't have an internal cannon, but they can be fitted with an external cannon.
[edit on 12-9-2004 by Hockeyguy567]
The F-35 can only carry TWO AMRAAM missiles (not even two sidewinders), no thrust vectoring and high wing loadin properties. The only reason the F-35 has a-a missiles is for self-defense, bu its basically an attack plane, should be called A-35A/c or AV-35B
Originally posted by groingrinder
How can you call something a dogfight when your turning radius is half the state of Wyoming!! THERE HAVE BEEN NO DOGFIGHTS SINCE THE KOREAN WAR!
Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Theres no Russain planes on that graph You think since most countries that buy the Euro fighter will be going up against Migs they would put it on the Graph.
Dogfight
1.SU-47
2.F-22
3.Euro fighter
I put the F-22 behind the Su-47 because its a dog fight which is close and nasty with guns. which a F-22 shouldnt be in in the first place. Its stealth should have let it have the kill before the SU-47 even knew it was there. Plus the wing design of the SU-47 let it take tighter turns so in a gun fight it might have the upper hand.
[edit on 18-8-2004 by ShadowXIX]
Originally posted by titus
Originally posted by longbow
I have already posted here about the F-22 angle of attack ability. It is able to achieve sustained angleof attack of 60 degrees.
The best Sukhoi's (Su-37, 47) have only about 41,
Su-30 about 30 degrees
GEEZZZ!!!! YOU MUST BE KIDDING....
i have video in russian. they say SU-47 HAS UNLIMITED AoA
also, Su-30MK was pulling and holding 75 degrees AoA at one of airshows in moscov
and, about f-22 60* AoA. you should expect that from gen5 airplane
Originally posted by FredT
Originally posted by Michael784
Su-37 would definitely be a better dogfighter than the Eurofighter and the Rafale, because of its TVC and with maneuvers like the Super Cobra it has pretty much unlimited AOA.
No doubt that the Super Cobra and Cobra looks real cool at airshows (I maintain that the Russians put on the best displays) how usefull are those manuvers in a real dog fight? Even with its awesum thrust, it takes time for a Su-37 to recover energy from it. As it recovers its meat for the opfor's wingman. To my knowledge no one has used a corbra in a combat situation for that reason.
Before we go off on that tangent, there is an active thread on the Cobra
www.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 18-8-2004 by FredT]
Originally posted by DarkSide
the F35 is an attack plane not a fighter
Originally posted by Hockeyguy567
Originally posted by roniii259
Originally posted by roniii259
, and thats why the EF is the worst dogfighter untill it can use its gun.
I agree that now it seems only the British one cant use its gun, sorry about tthe mistake
However without itts gun I still think its the worst dogfighter. Maybe great interceptor, but ht worst dogfighter. With the gun Its the second best, after the Raptor (no offense but I just love the duck and cant wait till Langley gets it)
Does the EF use the Mausser Cannon or the old M61?
It uses the Mauser.
And for second best close in dogfighter, it could either be the EF, Rafale, or the SH, we'll have to wait and see, and if the F-35A and F-35C get the 3D axisymmetric thrust-vectoring nozzle, then I would place it above the other 3.
Originally posted by C0bzz
F-22
Eurofighter
Su-27NG / Mig-29NG
Rafale
F-16C Block 52 -232
F-15C -229
Gripen NG
Flanker / Fulcrum
F-35A
F-15C -220
Gripen
F-16C - 220
F-14
Hornet
F-35B/C
Super Hornet.
Originally posted by Shamanator
Even with a gun the Eurofighter is still no match for a normal Hornet let alone the Super Hornet. It's a Generation behind the Super Hornet at the very least.
A lot of that is subjective though, as some of the aircraft would have advantages in certain flight regimes over others, but not necessarily all the time.
Originally posted by kilcoo316
The E/F is a rubbish aerodynamic platform and the engines lose 5-10% of their power through the inlet baffles used for radar return reasons...
Originally posted by paraphi
Just curious, but why is the Typhoon a "rubbish aerodynamic platform"?