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Athiest society? why not loot! (designed this way)

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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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A conspiracy against Christianity, by atheists


Oh yes, the 2 billion of you that make up like 33% of the world's religious population have so much to fear from us atheists that make up maybe six percent of the population. I swear the Christian persecution complex is absolutely astounding. By the way many atheists openly oppose Christianity and debate against Christians in intellectual forums, its hardly a conspiracy.

By the way Dawkins is just a man, he's not some atheist prophet or priest (the very idea would be a contradiction). And yes secular morality will always be superior to static dogmas.


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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by works4dhs
1) again, what is the motivation? 'stealing is wrong.' 'why?' 'we must respect property blah blah blah'. obviously not every non-Christian is a violent thief but what's happening in the London streets is the inevitable result of an atheistic values system (public schools, media). it is impossible to instill long-term mass-population values on such a flimsy foundation.

Well, sometimes the best answer is in the form of a question
Why do -you- think its wrong...and your not allowed to use any religious understandings as you answer it.
Now go...and answer your own question.
And if you are absent of any, then guess what, your not a very nice person.



2) the holocaust was the direct idealogical result of anti-Christian pagans in power. Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot deliberately killed, or allowed to die, millions of their own people based on crackpot Marxist doctrine. there is no Christian equivalent to this.


oh...this again
ok

(nazi belt buckle saying "God With Us")

Hitler was a christian whom hated the church..but his whole inspiration from a early age until the movement was as a christian fulfilling a anti-zionist movement..sounds like a whole lot of nuts to me.
Of course you will now pull out a couple quotes where he is rallying against the church and its spreading of christianity (its hold over the religion).

What is happening is a direct result of corporatism and a dismantling of the working class...which is pushed by the right wingers

Lets take stock then, shall we?

Hitler was a totalitarian dictator
He was...well, let the wiki explain:

On 30 January 1933, Adolf Hitler legally became Chancellor of Germany, appointed by President Paul von Hindenburg. Although he initially headed a coalition government, he quickly made Hindenburg a figurehead and eliminated his non-Nazi partners. The Nazi regime restored economic prosperity and ended mass unemployment using heavy military spending while suppressing labor unions and strikes. The return of prosperity gave the regime enormous popularity and made his rule mostly unchallenged, although resistance grew after the onset of military aggression, culminating in the failed 20 July plot in 1944. The Gestapo (secret state police) under Heinrich Himmler destroyed the liberal, Socialist and Communist opposition and persecuted the Jews, attempting to force them into exile while taking their property. The Party took control of the courts, local government, and all civic organizations except the Protestant and Catholic churches.[4] All expressions of public opinion were controlled by Hitler's propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, who made effective use of film, mass rallies, and Hitler's skillful oratory.


So, the movement was about:
Mass military spending
Elimination of unions
Destroying liberal, socialist, and communist movements/ideologys
Promotion of christian values by persecuting a different religion (muslims...oops, I mean jews)

Sound like any particular party in existance today?
Perhaps the true evil of the world is right wing ideology, if history teaches us anything...

And again, Hitler was a christian (that hated the church)...however, I don't believe his actions represents christianity..just someone whom uses religion to twist and manipulate movements as usual (see crusades, witch burnings, westboro baptist church, army of god, GWB's "crusade", etc)



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
By the way Dawkins is just a man, he's not some atheist prophet or priest (the very idea would be a contradiction). And yes secular morality will always be superior to static dogmas.


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Blasphemy!
Have you not heard of when Dawkins walked on water? (granted, it was in the form of ice at the time, but still)

Or when he turned water into wine...(ok, fine, he was at an olive garden and simply ordered wine...but wine came and replaced his water nevertheless).

You will pay for your sins against the mighty D




posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by davidgrouchy
I thought Professor Dawkins was supposed to be shepherding us all into a new age of scientific ethics and peace.


...dawkins a shepherd?...
...that wasnt a thought, david... that was a massive brain infarction...



Originally posted by davidgrouchy
How did the name of Jesus become a curse word?


...my bet is that a grouchy christian started it...



Originally posted by davidgrouchy
The only prediction that I have been seing from Athiests is that erasing all religion will solve-everything.


...this atheist doesnt see things that way and i dont personally know any atheists who do... i'm a staunch supporter of freedom of religion, which we (usofa) have never really had...


Originally posted by davidgrouchy
London is, by far, the Athiest center of the western world


...considering your lack of knowledge on atheism, i suspect that you're wrong about london too...

...thx for the laughs...



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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What, it is you who blaspheme, for Dawkins is not almighty, he is merely the servant of the flying spaghetti monster who has reached down to touch Dawkin's with his noodly appendage and endow him with power


I'm really not sure what the OP was thinking. How does he know these riots aren't God's will? Wouldn't the first time God has commanded death and chaos of his followers.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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1) again, what is the motivation? 'stealing is wrong.' 'why?' 'we must respect property blah blah blah'. obviously not every non-Christian is a violent thief but what's happening in the London streets is the inevitable result of an atheistic values system (public schools, media). it is impossible to instill long-term mass-population values on such a flimsy foundation.

The only inevitable results of an "atheistic values system" is that some theist will come along and claim that everything will be fine if we only followed their particular brand of worshipping god(s). This is immediately preceded or followed by some variation of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy predicated on how the people doing bad things could never be real worshippers of their god(s) because of what they're doing.


2) the holocaust was the direct idealogical result of anti-Christian pagans in power. Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot deliberately killed, or allowed to die, millions of their own people based on crackpot Marxist doctrine. there is no Christian equivalent to this.

As far as Hitler, he was a Christian -- learn to deal with it. If you think Mao was really an atheist, go read his poetry. Stalin and Pol Pot used atheism as a tool to consolidate their power -- this is like blaming a hammer for killing a person and not the person wielding the hammer.

I do so love good logical fallacies to close out a busy day at work.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
By the way Dawkins is just a man, he's not some atheist prophet or priest (the very idea would be a contradiction). And yes secular morality will always be superior to static dogmas.



Yes - Dawkins is just a man giving his opinion.

Personally - - I have never read or listened to him.

Should I throw Fred Phelps up - - - every time I address a Christian?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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I can't get over how you people try to point moral fingers while your priests, the supposed leaders of your communities, are out there molesting little children. Yes, I can see religion does wonders for morals /rolleyes.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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Originally posted by Solasis

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Originally posted by Solasis

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

How did the name of Jesus become a curse word?



Third commandment.



No.

I saying that this is not on anyone's radar by design.



what the hell are you talking about?


Best reply ever, and wholly applicable to a troll like this.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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I love Jesus' message, but I dislike christians because they don't listen to what Jesus said. And they get mad at you if you say there were prophets besides Jesus. Jesus was not god, and he wasn't the only prophet.
90% of people today who claim they are christian, don't follow Jesus' teachings. It's funny how "Christians" do the most judging in our society. They hate muslims, homosexuals, and anyone who disagrees with them. I could go on and on...
No, our society didn't have to do anything to discredit christianity, "christians" did that themselves.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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One does not need to practice a religion in order to have morals, the mere hint of that is laughable.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Bushido687
I can't get over how you people try to point moral fingers while your priests, the supposed leaders of your communities, [color=gold] are out there molesting little children. Yes, I can see religion does wonders for morals /rolleyes.



The YouTube clip is the molesting of littler children that is of concern to me.

And yes Athiest are by far the most persecutorial, intractable, and self righteous
in their destruction of all positive reference to any appearance of Religion on TV.
The philosophers are strangely silent in the face of their own children.
For this is secular godlessness run amok. And nothing else.

Unless the Athiest actually has a solution
and just isn't sharing.


David Grouchy
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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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lol its never "true Christians"

Plenty of people from ALL faiths were part of this madness.

Question your own faith instead of others!



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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God: Love thy neighbors.

Christian: Hey our neighbors aren't Christians, let's go kill them.

and also

Love raping children? why not be a catholic priest!


I have nothing against Christians in general, but I have a lot of prejudice for hatemongers like you davidgrouchy.

Edit: Please stop spelling Atheist wrong. It make you look ignorant.
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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by atheist101

Edit: Please stop spelling Atheist wrong. [color=gold] It make you look ignorant.


But it took four pages for someone to point that out.

Normally if a thread is completely without merit
someone will point that out much sooner.


David Grouchy
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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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So you Christians are blaming even atheist for this??
Might as well have been the result of children being RAPED and abused in CHRISTIAN run child care homes, which is something that has happened in quite a few of those institutions.

But I guess it is just us atheist that do bad things eh?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Atheists are non believers in a GOD not non believers in morals. The worst people I know are the ones who hide behind a GOD to justify their actions. The looting is a sign that there are to many of us and not enough resources. And as the resources dwindle the fighting will only get worse.
Its not about a god. That's what wars are for.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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you remind me of this song




posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by juleol

So you Christians are blaming even atheist for this??
Might as well have been the result of children being RAPED and abused in CHRISTIAN run child care homes, which is something that has happened in quite a few of those institutions.



LOL, standard talking point, usual tactic.

Do the poster here actually know anyone who has slept with a priest,
or have they ever met anyone who has, or heard of someone
who knows someone who has.

I, on the other hand, know several people who have actually been mugged.

Out of the things that we should concern ourselves with
spiraling out of control in the future,
which is more likely?

Gangs of horny priests, or gangs of materialistic looters?
Weather they be on the streets on in the board rooms.


David Grouchy



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by sadwolf
Atheists are non believers in a GOD not non believers in morals. The worst people I know are the ones who hide behind a GOD to justify their actions. The looting is a sign that there are to many of us and not enough resources. And as the resources dwindle the fighting will only get worse.
Its not about a god. That's what wars are for.


Atheists are also negligent and criminally remiss
in their selfish desire to move into private morals while
letting the rest of society rot behind them as so much jetsam.

A place where they always take the safe position of someone else's
publicized crimes, failings, or sins. The church leans more towards a
set of public morals and dealing with crimes, failings, or sins in a private fashion.

Do you really think our appetite for tragedy and disaster
would be recognizable to our ancestors of only four generations ago?


David Grouchy



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