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Man claims PAN AM flight logs show baby Obama flew with parents from Kenya to Hawaii

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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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I have never believed Obama was American born and it does matter about his birth certificate. Of all the things the federal government has done to rape the United States Constitution, this would be a huge one if proven. I wonder why nobody mentions or has looked into when Obama legally had his name changed back from Barry Soetoro to Barrack Obama? If I remember correctly, weren't his school records under the name Barry Soetoro?




posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by ManOfGod267
Does it really matter where Barack Obama was born? Heck! I bet many people believe he was created by aliens!


To me, the fact that he might have been born outside of this country is incidental to the possible purposeful coverup and outlandish lies. The POTUS should not base his entire Presidency on lies to his own countrymen. That's fraud, not to mention treason, after his purposeful push to socialism.
edit on 11-8-2011 by mjfromga because: clarity



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by Atzil321
A black guy is president, get over it already.....


Ah yes.. if he were, lets say.. white, the fact he was born in Kenya would be negligible.. got it... only a racist cares about the rules.

At the end of the day, his birth place.. really doesn't matter in all practicality. Lets say it's true.. the establishment can deny it, and throw muck to confuse the situation for years and years...

That guy who calls himself president will be looooong gone and the debate will continue.. was he or wasn't he?.. the whole JFK thing was played-out, stale anyway..



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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reply to post by TrueAmerican
 


DING. Ding Ding !!!!

We have a smoking gun here!



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Kitilani
 


You are on a conspiracy website.

It is par for the course.


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



It is? I joined ATS specifically because people that automatically believe claims made by usernames on forums on other conspiracy sites bother me. Here, I expect people to actually be interested in the truth. You say that is my error?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Kitilani
Seen this hoax done and done better already.
Is this what ATS is now? Some user posts a comment on a board somewhere and we all have to discuss the validity of it no matter how lacking in evidence it is?


You really do not have to discuss it, but here you are.

edit on 11-8-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


Yes and I am still not discussing it.
I am just pointing out that as far as birther hoaxes go, this one is just about the weakest. No discussion here. My opinion is not up for debate.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus



Heather Smathers of Arizona Independent filed and obtained a FOIA request from the government Obama Sr's immigration papers.
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Makes me think of the INS when they misplaced hundreds of change of address documents of people from Arab countries with visas or green cards.


THANK YOU!!!!

Nothing I could ever write here could highlight just where this birther crap fails any better than you just did. A real person with a real FOIA request is just pure dismiss-able hogwash to you right off the bat. But a username with a proof-less claim, now that is something to hold onto.

This thread should have been titled "Birthers come expose your true colors here."



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by EmVeeFF

Originally posted by ShogunAssassins
Hi all, just bringing my friend dead horse by so he can get his daily beating.. Nice to see us going after the real issues and all.


it isn't a dead horse if the general consensus is a LIE

seriously, why is it that some intelligent (well, I assume so atleast) people just let their minds go blank when it come to this issue?


The only place it is the general consensus is in birther threads.

Seriously, why is it that some intelligent (well, I assume so at least) people just assume that because 15 other people agree with them on a forum, they are most people in the whole country or world.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani
This thread should have been titled "Birthers come expose your true colors here."




Yeah, I'll expose my true colors, no problem. I am a white guy who picked a black guy for an avatar, and had a black best friend all through high school. I can remember getting into at least one fist fight defending my black friend from white racists, and a boatload of near fights over me, a white guy, hanging out with a black guy- because I liked him and he was my best friend. No matter what. No matter the comments, the derision, the teasing, the snide remarks, and all the other crap that went with going against the grain of easier, segregated paths.

The segregated paths that all you real racists took while growing up and now that stand accusing "birthers" of being racists because they "can't live with a black President." Well that's total BS. I can live with a black President, no problem. I just can't live with one that defrauds the system no matter what color he is. Of course, that would leave very few I can live with, especially these days.

The only color I know is the truth. And truth's real colors are just too hard to decipher these days without considerable power, influence, and persistence. Is this story evidence, or anything to get excited about? Probably not. It is just another comment to me. But considering that Corsi is supposedly looking into it, I'll wait it out and see.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:47 PM
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Holy crap dude. I never even mentioned racism. I never hinted at it. I never suggested it. I did not mention anyone's race at all.

The fact that you wrote three paragraphs on how you are not a racist when I never called you one is telling.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by Atzil321
A black guy is president, get over it already.....


ok - this is what I don't get!!! Really?? what the heck does his race have to do with anything? If america had a problem with a black president he wouldnt have been elected. The fact that his eligibility is in question is not because he is black. Who ever keeps throwing the race issue into the ring is either deluded or is intentionally trying to fuel a race riot. Maybe that was TPTB plan all along, to cause a race war? All I know is with martial law a possibility, and with the riots in england still lingering, it only takes a few well placed racial comments to ignite the fumes. Don't be played. Don't fall for it, or we will all be surprised to see how fast hell breaks loose. His color is moot, it is non-issue. He put forth a (possibly) false persona, false history, and has put america (possibly) at risk in many ways, both domestically and internationally. If he was a white man, would there be much of a difference?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Born in hawaii SIMPLE.....
What more evidence is needed?
Pretty soon a "guy" will have video of his actual birth taking place on saturn being delivered by aliens!
Get a life u racist bastards / put the klan outfit back in the closet....



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:50 PM
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I don't think Kitilani meant "show your colors" literally. It's cool you're white and all, and obviously not racist because you defended your black buddy, and have a black avatar..............but it's only a figure of speech. Showing one's true colors can be, for example, showing ignorance by supporting the claim that Obama is from kenya because a random guy claims he has mysterious documents from a former airline's flight manifesto.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
The segregated paths that all you real racists took while growing up and now that stand accusing "birthers" of being racists because they "can't live with a black President." Well that's total BS. I can live with a black President, no problem. I just can't live with one that defrauds the system no matter what color he is. Of course, that would leave very few I can live with, especially these days.


I never called you a racist ever. I never said anything about the president being black either. If you read my entire post, you would have understood what I said. Apparently it is easier to call names and make things up?

So now that you actually did call me a racist, expand on that. I want to know why you gotta play the race card? That is so old.
You can either apologize or make your case though if you have any integrity at all.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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the log books are fake, and it's not even a good fake. it was clearly planted by romney

hey, being on this side is kinda fun !



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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It has layers even. It's not even a good fake! How can this guy insult us all by presenting this phony crap? Wait.........he didn't present anything at all. Why is this a thread again?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by MentorsRiddle

The evidence leads me to believe that he is not eligible to be president.


Then why hasn't he been thrown out?

If it is so easy to prove then this should be cut and dry here, he can be thrown out, if there is compelling and substantial evidence of fraud in regard to his eligibility.

What do we have that will stand up in a court of law, beyond any reasonable doubt?

Present the case!



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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He is as much white as he is black.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Here it is again.

You get to the end of the tread and it's nothing but S&%T. In fact I personally don't think this thread warranted so much input.

This is a dead horse and IMHO most of you are missing the point. If you think he's American, fine, move along please nothing to see here. If you don't think he is, fine, think of him as a foreigner brought in to coach your national soccer team, and as an experiment it failed.

The point most of you are missing is that in all probability YOU ARE NOT IN CONTROL OF WHO YOU WANT AS PRESIDENT. There exists a reasonable probability that that process has been hijacked and the hijackers couldn't give two F%$# what you think.

Please See: Good Thread

Get control of your political system first, and then it'll be important where your president comes from.

Cheers



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by bourbon2nite
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He is as much white as he is black.


Not in America where we practice the one drop rule. You know damn well if you saw Barack Obama running out your back door after robbing your house and had no clue who he was you would not describe him as "a man who clearly had a white parent and black parent."




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