Man claims PAN AM flight logs show baby Obama flew with parents from Kenya to Hawaii

Ok Kitilani,

So whats the difference between a certificate and a certification?

Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
Ok Kitilani,

So whats the difference between a certificate and a certification?

A Birth Certificate is the paper the doctor signs and stamps the babies feet proving live birth which is filed with local Vital Records.

A Birth Certification is the piece of paper issued by a US Bond company with a Bond Number on it which is traded on the stock market. Must have a "raised" stamp which you can feel with your hands.

Originally posted by research100
yes meshakhad! and anyone with common sense would realize this.....so diehards who think obama was not born here.....what reason would his mom have to hop on planes to travel 12,000 miles and have her baby in some foreign hospital in a foreign country.

travel was very expensive back then, mostly rich people and people taking business trips where their companies paid for it, went traveling. Alot of people went by boat because it was cheaper.

the cost for their 2 tickets about $1900.00 back then adjust for inflation that's $15,000.00 in 2005 they could not afford that kind of money.

it is totally illogical to think obama was born somewhere else

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Mommy worked for the Ford Foundation providing Micro-Loans. She didn't pay for air travel.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
The birther argument might be more plausible if Obama's mother was herself an immigrant but she wasn't, she was an American citizen.

Per the law at the time she was not old enough to confer US Citizenship to baby Obama. Citizenship would be the fathers.

Also...Congress and President Bill Clinton passed this:
en.wikipedia.org...

Apologizing for stealing Hawaii. Could be construed....Hawaii's not really a US State.

Originally posted by BillyBoBBizWorth
Ok Kitilani,

So whats the difference between a certificate and a certification?

NOTHING.

A Birth Certificate is the paper the doctor signs and stamps the babies feet proving live birth which is filed with local Vital Records. A Birth Certification is the piece of paper issued by a US Bond company with a Bond Number on it which is traded on the stock market. Must have a "raised" stamp which you can feel with your hands.

Yes they are two different things,thanks Pervius.

NOTHING.

Thats something Kitilani does want to acknowledge though,that's fine,it doesn't bother me.

Keep on believing what your told then.

Originally posted by Kitilani

Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
I.e., an expert witness is an expert whom the court recognizes. Why this is not accepted is just plain silly.

edit on 15-8-2011 by CynicalDrivel because: Replaced a missing word.

I am not a judge in court hearing testimony. There are no expert witnesses here. Anyone that claims to be an expert in anything relevant better be able to both back that up and explain why it is relevant. So far no one has been able to do that for any of the so called "experts" listed. You just keep saying they have been expert witnesses in court. Sure. What for? Using their expertise in what?

Please show me one time where the "scanner expert" was used in court to determine the validity of a state issued document.

Why would there ever been a need for a scanner expert in such a case before? The unique thing is that they are trying to force someone to cough up an original because the only document available is a scanned copy online. Basically, show me a case where a scanned copy was the SOLE SOURCE of evidence, first, or at least 1 document that had to be verified by an expert was derived solely from a scanned copy, then your point would be valid. Until then, your fussing about a "scanner expert" is just as useless as the people you're still arguing against.

Besides, do you realize how many people in this country can't produce their original birth certificate, and that all others are just reissued, and while they are valid in a court of law, they are generally not something you could compare to the ones printed closer to the time of your birth? This would have been a better argument to use, by the way.

Originally posted by Pervius
A Birth Certification is the piece of paper issued by a US Bond company with a Bond Number on it which is traded on the stock market. Must have a "raised" stamp which you can feel with your hands.

Just where do you get such garbage from?

It has now been a month since the claim about the flight logs was made, and what happened since? no sign at all of the "logs", and orly taitz has lost yet another silly birther legal claim!