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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
The man has done more to cover up any trace of his past; more so than any other president who came before him.
Originally posted by fleabit
I'll gladly give some pdf's some credence...but not a .pdf file with inexplicable layers, kerning that didn't exist when the document was supposedly typed, multiple font types from one type writer, misspellings in the rubber stamp that didn't exist in other stamps at that time, a smiley face hidden in the doctor's name, mathematically perfect signatures, out of sequence registration numbers, haloing around the letters, no sign of an official stamp, and a pdf that magically appeared after the governor of HI and Obama both said the document simply didn't exist at all.
With all of those errors and inconsistencies, do you HONESTLY believe the document shown in that pdf is a scan of a 1961 birth certificate? If so, I'll gladly send you a .pdf of this court order I happen to have which demands that you send me $1,000,000 or face jail time. (just don't examine it or ask to see the original, ok?)edit on 8/12/2011 by MiloNickels because: (no reason given)
And YOU honestly believe that the President, with all the lettered services at his disposal.. CIA, FBI, NSA, etc.. released such a laughably and horribly done hoax instead of the real deal? I'd like to think he would have the best services at creating false documents at his disposal. Not something a highschool student could put together in an afternoon, as you seem to think is what happened.
No.. it couldn't be that the "experts" who claim it's a hoax are WRONG.. could it.
Originally posted by spoor
Originally posted by MiloNickels
who's grandmother publicly claims she was present when he was born in a foreign country,
birther lie, she never claimed that
who uses multiple aliases,
who uses multiple social security numbers,
who's most commonly used social security number is from a state they never resided in,
another birther story, SS numbers are NOT entirely state based
who's classmates can't remember going to school with him
yet another birther lie
who released one fake birth certificate on his website while he was campaigning
and another obvious fake this year,
still a birther lie
who paid over $2M to seal hide all the records from his past
birther lie (just how do you seal documents that are private anyway?)
who claimed a document did NOT exist (before he "released it"),
stil another birther lie!
and the birther lies contimue! Why do you persist in posting those lies, they have all been shown to be lies many time here and elsewhere?
I will be the first inline to decry him, question his eligibility, and demand full disclosure of any substantial proof before I trust him.
except you never demanded the same from all previous presidents, funny how none of them were black, but as soon as the first black president comes along you post lies about him....
how dare you make this a race issue?
because to a lot of birthers IT IS a race issue!
Originally posted by MiloNickels
I notice that you conveniently left off the item about Obama's father not being a US citizen. Strange. This fact alone, disqualifies him from being president regardless of where he was born.
OK... let's pretend that everyone of those issues is a "birther lie".
NONE of the arguments they present has anything to do with race.
Even if these lies were invented by racists
the rest of us (who have heard them, believe that they sound plausible, and want hard proof to dispel them) have no racial agenda.
or should I at least take the time to make sure my house isn't really on fire?
Other presidents have not been challenged on their place of birth because it wasn't a point of vagueness and contention for them.
This issue is unique to Obama
, just as Obama deserves to have his citizenship questioned.
Obama's unique issue is his place of birth...not because he's black, but because he's president.
... and again the claim that obama's father had to be a US citizen for him to be naturally born is just another birther lie! When will you stop telling lies here?
but in the case of the birther lies you posted you never even bothered checking valid sources, as if you had bothered to check you would have known that they were in fact lies!
Originally posted by MiloNickels
We can't check the "valid sources" because Obama initially paid $2M+ to hide them
WE WANT TO EXAMINE THE VALID SOURCES...
who's the racist?
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by MiloNickels
First off, "natural-born" is a term, and it's used in the constitution. Natural Born, as in an attribute by birthright. You're born in America you are given citizenship by birthright. You are born to one American parent you are an American citizen by birthright.
Originally posted by MarshMallow_Snake
reply to post by TrueAmerican
As much as I am not a fan of Obama, here is my question...and maybe I need a better understanding, so please help me out.
Since his Mom was a citizen, wouldn't he be a citizen too? I assume they were married, but I am not up to date on that:
"For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock):
1 - The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2 - One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3 - The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday."
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by spinkyboo
Funny how this integrity never came into play with all the white presidents. None of them were ever asked over and over to produce a BC beyond the initial screening process that is used for all candidates. ( including Mr Obama ). So one can assume that the reason why this president is asked this over and over is because he is viewed as some kind of pretender. Whether that is because of the color of his skin or because they think he was born in Kenya ( a country located on the continent of Africa ) it still seems to me that it boils down to the same thing. Why do you think the birthers are so passionate about this ? From what standpoint do they rally?