Why So Angry? Buddha Wisdom

Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
Why So Angry?


"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned." - Buddha

“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” - Buddha

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.” - Buddha

Peace.

edit on 11-8-2011 by LifeIsEnergy because: (no reason given)

I don't see how you can start quoting Buddha when he never wrote anything down. I think Buddha would be very ashamed of Buddhists if he could see them propagating this kind of nonsense in his name. He'd be angry I think.

Originally posted by ZIPMATT

Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
Why So Angry?


“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” - Buddha

[Peace.

edit on 11-8-2011 by LifeIsEnergy because: (no reason given)

He never said that. No way .

Well, I think you have a predisposition to think someone who is choosing not to get angry (or choosing to control the anger) is better than you. Why is someone who is not reacting with anger any less of a person than someone who simply composes him/herself and thinking rationally? We are given free choice/will by the creator and can choose to feel how we want. From my experience, if anger is what is behind something it will find its way back to you either at the same level, stronger, or in a different form like guilt and regret (karma). I believe you attract what you put out. So by my choosing to not lose it, choosing to live a happier life (as often as I can) I am choosing to have Karma send good things my way more often.

I'll never forget a few years ago I was in a drive through paying for my order when I asked the cashier to go ahead and charge my card for the vehicle behind me. I had no idea what they ordered, I had no goal of meeting these people to accept their gratitude, nothing but good intentions. I'm happy with myself thinking I brought some small happiness in their life. Not 1 month later the EXACT same thing happened to me. My meal was mysteriously paid for when I pulled up to the window. This was even at the same establishment. One of my biggest beliefs is in Karma.

Originally posted by ZIPMATT
An awakened one will never be angry?

No. Someone who understands anger is fully awake . God made anger and he made us to be angry sometimes .

Was Moses angry , livid in fact , when he found the Israelites worshipping a golden calf? Yes so angry that he smote his brother and had some of them executed.

Was Noah angry when his sons found him drunk and naked in his tent after the flood abated ? He was so angry they covered him up and thought they knew better than him already, he cursed them , Ham Seth and Japheth .

Someone half asleep doesnt know what anger is for and why people get angry . If you p$ss someone off, are you going to start acting all 'holier than thou' about it?
That's a BAD move.

No offense, but we're talking about being enlightened. Being religious is nearly the antithesis of being enlightened in my opinion.

reply to post by JPhish


That is nonsense because Mohammed was enlightened . Do you pretend to know what enlightenment is ?


I will take your response as a no. The subject is anger , not being enlightened.

Have ye not heard, of the wrath and the fury of God ?
Without anger there would be no vengeance , and without vengeange itself, there would be no justice .

Who but an abuser would teach you to lie down and take it ? Anger management teaches you to suffer abuse , of all kinds. Making the world a worse place than it was already .

I will overturn the entire OP, saying that trying to defeat a natural emotion is a road to nowhere . Worse , Buddhists by example end up 'talking to themselves' . And Christians do the same , inviting Jesus into their hearts, and 'talking with HIM' in their heads. Classic symptoms of mental and social disorders and ineptitudes are the result.

“All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think we become.” - Buddha

Anyone with mental health problems is fairly screwed then. Or is there a distinction between intrusive thoughts, and thoughts which one consciously creates?

They are after all, both created by the same mind.

reply to post by ZIPMATT


Muhammad was enlightened and also spoke about how anger was not helpful, just in a different way:

"He is not strong and powerful, who throws people down,
but he is strong who withholds himself from anger."

"Happy is the person who finds fault with himself
instead of finding fault with others."

"From morning until night and from night until morning
keep your heart free from malice towards anyone."

Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Buddha... none of them wrote down any of what we contribute to them. And in the end it does not matter even if they are fictional characters created by others because it is the message that is important, not the figure who said it. And beyond that, it is the transformation that occurs in a person when they truly understand and thus put into practice these messages. I have simply found the message contributed to the Buddha to be the most helpful and clearest for me to understand.

Peace.

reply to post by Big Raging Loner


Could you clarify this question for me a little more?

"Or is there a distinction between intrusive thoughts, and thoughts which one consciously creates?"

What are you defining as an "intrusive thought"?

Peace.

reply to post by LifeIsEnergy


Ok , when you cite the Qu'ran, please provide the Surah number and verse numbers with the quote please .

You need to use the word 'attribute', when you have said 'contribute' > just a point of fact, not digging.

Actions speak louder than words : did Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers in the temple > in anger?
Yes he did.
He came not to bring 'peace' but a 'sword' , also .

Please provide sources for all quotes if possible : it helps others understand.

I want to suggest or question : is not forgiveness a virtuous gesture ?

Anger would have come first .

2 things you should never let go of : 1 . Holding those who break the laws to full account for their actions/words,

2. It is forgiveness , which comes after anger , where you multiply both mental and social gains

reply to post by ZIPMATT


"Without anger there would be no vengeance , and without vengeange itself, there would be no justice ."

Then justice is a terrible and ugly thing! Thankfully, many people like Gandhi and Dr. King have shown us that true justice is void of vengeance.

"Who but an abuser would teach you to lie down and take it ? Anger management teaches you to suffer abuse , of all kinds. Making the world a worse place than it was already"

I'm sorry you feel this way, but I must say, you have a very skewed view of reality. If you would of read the OP you would of realized that it is not you who must take the abuse, you can easily allow the abuser to keep it for himself by not grasping on to his projected anger and violence.

"I will overturn the entire OP, saying that trying to defeat a natural emotion is a road to nowhere ."

This I will agree with on, but probably for a much different reason than you understand, as of right now.

Peace.

reply to post by ZIPMATT


Sorry, I do not have the verse numbers for what I quoted from the Qu'ran, so discount that part of the post entirely if you wish.

And, as it was said in the OP, there is nothing to forgive. Here is a story on forgiveness:

In the life of Buddha, there was a man who was abusing Him without understanding and when he finished with his abuses and Buddha had left, people told him, “Do you know who you were abusing? It was Lord Buddha.” He got the fright of his life.

He said, “Where as He gone?”

“He has gone to another village.”

So he went to the other village and he said, “Sir, I am sorry for what I said. Please forgive me. It’s all wrong and I should not have done it. You can punish me the way you like.”

Lord Buddha said, “When did you do that?”

He said, “Yesterday.”

Buddha said, “I don’t know yesterday. I know only today. Anyways, you have punished yourself enough, please let us discuss something truly important.”

Peace.

reply to post by LifeIsEnergy

Intrusive thoughts are unwelcome involuntary thoughts, images, or unpleasant ideas that may become obsessions, are upsetting or distressing, and can be difficult to manage or eliminate.[1] Most people experience these thoughts. When they are associated with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD), depression, and sometimes attention-deficit hyperactive disorder (ADHD), they may become paralyzing, anxiety-provoking, or persistent. Intrusive thoughts may also be associated with episodic memory, unwanted worries or memories from OCD,[2] posttraumatic stress disorder, other anxiety disorders, eating disorders, or psychosis.[3] According to Lee Baer (a specialist at the OCD clinic of Massachusetts General Hospital), intrusive thoughts, urges, and images are of inappropriate things at inappropriate times, usually falling into three categories: "inappropriate aggressive thoughts, inappropriate sexual thoughts, or blasphemous religious thoughts".[

Inappropriate aggressive thoughts

Intrusive thoughts may involve violent obsessions about hurting others or themselves.[16] They can include such thoughts as harming an innocent child, jumping from a bridge, mountain or the top of a tall building, urges to jump in front of a train or automobile, and urges to push another in front of a train or automobile.[4] Rachman's survey of healthy college students found that virtually all of them had intrusive thoughts from time to time, including:[6]
Causing harm to elderly people
Imagining or wishing harm upon someone close to one's self
Impulses to violently attack, hit, harm or kill a person, small child, or animal
Impulses to shout at or abuse someone, or attack and violently punish someone, or say something rude, inappropriate, nasty or violent to someone.

These thoughts are part of being human, and need not ruin the quality of life. Treatment is available when the thoughts are associated with OCD and become persistent, severe, or distressing.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry to use Wikipedia.

Just to clarify I'm not trying to take away from the message of the OP.

"Without anger there would be no vengeance , and without vengeange itself, there would be no justice ."

Then justice is a terrible and ugly thing! Thankfully, many people like Gandhi and Dr. King have shown us that true justice is void of vengeance.

How did they do that then? Non-violence is not non-anger, and Ghandi was an abject failure to be honest about it.

"Who but an abuser would teach you to lie down and take it ? Anger management teaches you to suffer abuse , of all kinds. Making the world a worse place than it was already"

I'm sorry you feel this way, but I must say, you have a very skewed view of reality. If you would of read the OP you would of realized that it is not you who must take the abuse, you can easily allow the abuser to keep it for himself by not grasping on to his projected anger and violence.

Can a child allow an abuser to keep his or her violent or sexual abuse like that? But delusion then. Not my skewed reality.

"I will overturn the entire OP, saying that trying to defeat a natural emotion is a road to nowhere ."

This I will agree with on, but probably for a much different reason than you understand, as of right now.

Peace.

Holier than thou already? You let it come and go away again , I know. It makes you ineffectual and I wouldnt trust you with my children

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edit on 11-8-2011 by ZIPMATT because: clarity

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reply to post by ZIPMATT


I don't see how you can start quoting Buddha when he never wrote anything down. I think Buddha would be very ashamed of Buddhists if he could see them propagating this kind of nonsense in his name. He'd be angry I think.


Buddha hadn't wrote any thing!
Yes!
I have news for you none of the cited wiseman have ever wrote any thing. This Include Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, Abraham, and the list go on.
It doesn't matter if they did or not, what matter is that somehow a legacy untouched has survive...this legacy the author of the post had highlighted is in my view a very true symposium about anger.
This words are true!
How do we know they are wise word?
Not only because this resonate in our core but also some other contemporary wise people are saying the same thing. This contemporary wise person are saying the same thing for our modern years.
The wise person today that talk this way come from any races, religious, or statues background.
We all seem to learn from the past and present wise people.

reply to post by LifeIsEnergy


Thank you - I had not read that story for quite awhile, and it certainly is great wisdom needed today! My own journey has touched upon these topics recently - learning to recognize the energy root (lower versus higher) in thought, word and deed and being able to experience energies without absorbing them.

S&F - and good journey to you!

reply to post by Big Raging Loner


Thanks. Are we able to be conscious of these thoughts? If so, then we are able to understand their malice and destructive nature, and thus transcend them by not grasping onto them. I have a feeling that people who frequently suffer from these "intrusive thoughts" are so distracted by other thoughts that they cannot watch their mind and thus be conscious of its movement. They live in a constant "dream world", their internal world is continuously lead astray by the external world and so they cannot find any peace or balance. To me, as conscious beings there is no distinction between an "intrusive thought" and a "conscious thought", except for a matter of the level of awareness we choose to cultivate. Maybe there are some people with truly destabilized chemical imbalancments in their brains, and so awareness is much more difficult to sustain, but these people are far and few in between.

Peace.

Everyone needs to learn esoteric buddhism. Read up.

That fat bastard is and has been laughing at people. Buddha represents a pacifist, much like the Virgin Mother. Oh, everything will be okay. Don't fight back. God will come back in thousands of years. And by then those angry people will have died without justice. You see, without anger, people would be living in ignorance, denial, fear and the dark basically. I really don't like these outmoded thoughts. Get real people!