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Originally posted by fuzzy0087
I think its a fairly dumb question. If te Chinese government had malicious intentions then they wouldn't tell us.
US: "Hey China, what ya doin?"
China: "We build ship."
US: "We Kinda See that, What for?"
China: "Oh, well...truth is. You Americans have such large penis. We asian have small penis and can't compete. We build big ship to feel better."
US: "HAHAHA, That makes sense, well have a good time on your new ship."
Chinese government walks away..."We see who has last laugh when we destroy you."
Originally posted by GoalPoster
And if I was a Chinese diplomat fielding the question, my response would be, Shut up, dickwad. You owe us so much money, we could have come and repo-ed one of yours, you blathering cauldron of putz, so shut your pie hole and scurry back to one of your fourteen carriers before I call due a couple of trillion.
China Receives $2.5 Billion In Foreign Aid From Countries In Debt To China And Running Massive Deficits Read more: www.businessinsider.com... 1Ult16k00
China has no reason to go to war with America. They have America by the balls, so why do they need to go to war with them. And since when has China been interested in war, and show me the evidence that they want the rest of the world to be communist? You are talking crap! Another person who can't gandle the fact that China will be the next super-power. I just hope they do a better job than America!
Originally posted by Jay-morris
reply to post by ateuprto
Really? So, you telling me that they are not getting a percentage of the oil in Iraq. You telling me that all the oil companies were already talking about it before iraq was taken over? It seems that America will only invade countries where they will get something out of it. But lets be honest, they left Iraq in a complete mess.
I believe they were going to invade iraq, and i believe they lied about the weapons. I am not the only one to think this. If America are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts, then why do they only seem to help countries with oil?
Originally posted by LittleBirdSaid
Originally posted by ateuprto
Originally posted by Jay-morris
Originally posted by ateuprto
reply to post by JennaDarling
My first question would be what country you reside in?
We ARE a peaceful nation, and despite your simplistic point of view, the rest of the "Western" world is just as dirty as we are. I think you forget the fact that many of the conflicts the United States of America enters are because they are asked to do so on behalf of your "peaceful" European nations. The "War on Terror" is a different story, however it is one that is much, MUCH more complex than a simple act of unwarranted aggression.edit on 11-8-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)
There was nothing peaceful happening when they illegally invaded iraq. Im not suprised that countries are going hardcore with there militery. Maybe its because they don't know who America will invade next, could very well be them!
That is fear-mongering nonsense not based in reality. We are not there for resources. We are not there because we hate Islam. The invasion of Iraq was not a wise choice, that coming from a man who has been deployed there. It was a short-sighted, reactionary decision made on non-existent and/or false intelligence. That is not to say that Saddam Hussein's regime was innocent of harboring individuals and organizations with the intentions of attacking the United States of America, because I assure you, he was. Had I been commander-in-chief we would have not started that campaign, though I am much more familiar with tribal, social and religious relations in the region. A strong-handed, brutal dictator has been necessary in many Arab nations. They are the only ones ruthless enough to control the widespread intercultural and inter-religious conflicts that exist there.
The United States of America is guilty of making poor decisions in the immediate aftermath of the 2001 attacks. I have no qualms with conceding to that. It is my (our) responsibility. I can assure you, however, that most of the scum we are currently engaged with in Afghanistan and Iraq today are horrible human beings. They slaughter men, women and children knowingly and intentionally. Not in isolated cases of insanity, but as widespread and accepted doctrine. Their perspectives are so warped and ingrained that it would scare you. I have no problems with our killing these jerk-offs, but I have also seen what they are capable of first-hand.
The point is that we are not some insane war-machine, wantonly attacking whoever we deem unworthy. There are plenty of nations we have had issues with for decades that we have not engaged militarily. That is because they have not presented a threat to our nation militarily. When men are willing and able to inflict mass civilian casualties on our own soil and abroad, do you expect us to sit back and wait for the next attack? How does one guarantee safety without proactively hunting down and engaging those who intend to kill as many of our countrymen and women as possible? How does one guarantee safety without actively engaging and tracking those who have every intention and all the funding necessary to procure a nuclear weapon? They are not seeking nuclear weapons as a means of mutually assured destruction, I.E. Defense. They are seeking these weapons with no other intent than to detonate them on Western European and U.S. American soil.
I can agree that our preemptive doctrine with regards to military force is seemingly unnecessary and in many cases backfires, but it is a necessity in this day and age. We, among other nations, have learned our lessons the hard way. There is simply no way to guarantee "homeland security" from the homeland anymore. EVERY CIVILIZED NATION participates in global intelligence gathering and preemptive military actions. I will give you $1000 if you can give me a nation who does not.
Saw you are from the UK, do you find your own nation exempt from any of this? If so, take me to fairytale land with you.edit on 11-8-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)
Ateuprto - Thank you for your excellent responses - from an American who has been there. They just grow better as this thread progresses. You are correct and well written, with a handle on history and diplomacy. I felt a sinking feeling myself while seated overseas in a Command post just prior to shock and awe. I read the intellegence guide to the Anthropology of the region and felt we will never get through here - we are at a loss to understand the culture, the tribal culture.
We are misdirected in our approach sometimes. First we want to move beyond the threat of our own safety being jepardized. Then we think the world wants and deserves a better quality of life - just as we continue to seek that dream ourselves. We live at the high end of Maslows theory and can't quite comprehend those areas of the world that insist on, bring upon themselves the inablity to live beyond basic needs in a sometimes a brutal way. Tribal cultures will fight and exterminate to the last man, woman or child standing with no discrimination - yet they cry foul as we try and stop this madness.
China concerns me. Another save face culture. Those that think we are evil, will be in for quite a shock if they pray too hard for our demise. I am hopeful that there is truth that China's economy is not so strong as they display - and in their need to keep the peace with us for economic reasons. Unfortunately we will not hear about starving Chinese - but certainly we all hear about "struggling Americans" who's poverty level is truely not one of abject suffering. I hate to get all hippy - but really, I am tired and truely wish we could all just live in peace. Take care of each other and behave as good stewards to our Planet. Perhaps because I am older, a mom now, and a Veteran of War myself - I am truely weary of all this fight in our World.
Originally posted by RUNSILENT
whatever china is doing with said carrier you can bet there is a fast attack us sub following close by
said carrier cannot hide all surface craft are targets us subs are the epitome of stealth
would not take but one fish to put big target in davy jones locker
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
I have a question why does America need to have 11, yes 11 active Aircraft carriers 10 of which are Nimitz class and have another 2 brand new aircraft carriers go into construction. Just so you know the first General R. Ford Class carrier is going to cost America approximately 14 billion dollars all in.
And why is it ok for America to have such a vast fleet of aircraft carriers unquestioned yet they can question China for building one, which is a soviet era converted carrier. Who ever gave America the right to ask such questions.
PS: this is not another “hate America thread” it just strikes me as somewhat hypocritical of America to turn round and question China’s need for one aircraft carrier when America has 11 and another two in the pipe line.
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Originally posted by JennaDarling
it is quite evident (from these forums) that American's don't like to be questioned, criticised and judged.
However, they will happly judge the rest of us (the rest of the world) and question them and criticise them.
Originally posted by NeoSpace
It's none of Americas business to why China wants a carrier, every country has the rights to build up a force to protect their country.
Why does America need enough nukes to destroy the planet at least 10 times over.