What I Believe

This two party system that many of us have been fooled in to supporting (including myself) is complete garbage. I have a lot of reasons for hating both sides of the political spectrum. There is a vast grey area in which MOST of us choose to pin our beliefs but we are taught to hate one another anyway.

I hate the progressives for a "share the wealth" mentality in which we DON'T drug test welfare recipients. If you want the income and that of my fellow citizens, at least prove that these people aren't blowing my tax dollars on drugs that I myself could be doing.

I hate the conservatives for thinking that taxing the rich is some form of socialism. When I read threads/comments about this topic I immediately assume that they are paid trolls. How can you think that someone making 30 mil a year shouldn't contribute to the wealth of the general population and the economy itself. Life is short, are you suffering with 10 million a year?

I hate the progressives for the "koombaya" thought process that we can all share and that most of our money belongs to the state whether or not we've worked for it. If you want more money WORK your @$$ off. Period

I hate that progressives think that ALL gun ownership is abominable.

I hate that conservatives think that rapid fire assault rifles are in any way defensible to own by the average citizen.

I think we need rigorous testing for our political candidates at all levels and especially (and obviously) the President of the United States. IQ tests should be mandatory - at all levels. General citizenship tests should be administered to them all as well. History tests and tests focusing on the history of the American legal system and constitution should be upheld at all levels. Why elect "regular Joes" when you can elect the best, most knowledgeable of your population? "Elite" isn't always a bad word...

I hate that conservatives try to restrict the rights of our homosexual citizens (who have not yet had the chance to marry and raise children among a heterosexual 50% divorce rate.)

And I hate that some progressives think any and all abortion should be legal and conservatives think it's always wrong - it is NOT a means of birth control, it is an option for preventing a terrible life. Cutting edge scientific endeavors like stem cell research should not be disregarded because of the conservative agenda either. It has the potential to transform lives for generations.

Same goes for euthanasia - you want to die because you're suffering with a serious illness? - then damn it, it's your God-given right to. If you have no serious illness, no debt and no dependents, then suicide should be a legal option as well.

The drug war is over and was lost. If you have no dependents you should be able to consume whatever substance you wish. Ron Paul was right, it's up to the states to decide what is right. California, Colorado and several other states have openly legalized medicinal marijuana, the DEA has no right to infringe upon that decision when raiding dispensaries in those states.

Let's agree on a SERIOUS separation of Church and State. Why attempt to govern a nation with religion whose own inception was ignited by a rebellion to British religion? We're here to be FREE - from oppression both religious and federal. These are our lives to live

I'd like to hear that any out there are fiscally conservative and morally progressive and are sick and tired of being divided over hyperbole and exaggeration. This is the United States of America and we have been fooled in to hating one another. This is how they plan to break us apart when we most need to stand united.

You got a star from me. We're almost completely alike on every point you presented. If you belong to either party then honestly you're part of the problem.

Excellent post my friend!!! S&F

Can I just add one more thing? Let's quit sending our money and our troops overseas to fight wars that don't concern us. Lets get our head out of the UN's ass and deal with our own business before we start telling the world how to deal with theirs and vice versa. I can't stand hearing sentances that start with "We should do it the way they do in (Insert socialized gov. here)..." If they do it so much better then why don't you just move there?

Right on

I don't think anybody is fooled into hating anything. You have an awful lot of things you hate as you just posted and I believe you made up your own mind about those.

I don't hate any of them but that's by choice so i haven't been fooled either. Not sure what your trying to discuss here or what your question is.

Originally posted by TheThirdAdam
Excellent post my friend!!! S&F

Can I just add one more thing? Let's quit sending our money and our troops overseas to fight wars that don't concern us. Lets get our head out of the UN's ass and deal with our own business before we start telling the world how to deal with theirs and vice versa. I can't stand hearing sentances that start with "We should do it the way they do in (Insert socialized gov. here)..."

Right on

Excellent addition, let's not forget the economic and humanitarian destruction that is our "three wars" right now. Again, the fault of both sides of our politics

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Why do you assume they don't concern us?

That was an interesting comment.

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In other words you hate the notion that people disagree with you about assorted things.

Welcome to the American political landscape, friend. You'll fit right in. We only pick sides because it makes seating arrangements easier, to tell you the truth.

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why do you assume they do?

Originally posted by kro32
I don't think anybody is fooled into hating anything. You have an awful lot of things you hate as you just posted and I believe you made up your own mind about those.

I don't hate any of them but that's by choice so i haven't been fooled either. Not sure what your trying to discuss here or what your question is.

The meaning of the post was that many of us believe we are enemies when we are not. It's the fault of the media and our own leaders telling us we are not united when we actually are. It's obviously ok to feel differently about these things than I do but we all deserve freedom - of choice, of religion, of government.

The best way to destroy the enemy is from within. Make them think that they have a choice, when they rebel, give them a third choice. The only way that "We The People" can ever have a chance is to get them where it hurts and that is in the money belt. We all would have to take our money out of the banks, work on cash, etc. But, that will never, ever happen. The United States has entirely way too many brainwashed idiots to actually think for themselves. When they can't afford to pay their cable bill, as to watch their MSM, then they will panic and # will hit the fan! As John Lennon said, "the people trust the government to a point where they think that government is daddy". John Lennon had it right along time ago! Our idiots are increasing and our government is getting dumber....WTF? I am off to the woods!

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
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In other words you hate the notion that people disagree with you about assorted things.

Welcome to the American political landscape, friend. You'll fit right in. We only pick sides because it makes seating arrangements easier, to tell you the truth.

edit on 11/8/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)

No I just don't like extremists running the show when many of us agree and don't realize it

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What extremeists are running the show?

Could you be more specific please

Originally posted by kro32
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What extremeists are running the show?

Could you be more specific please

The point is that neither side is entirely right - guns are not inherently bad, but assault rifles are not necessary for hunting, etc. 14 year old girls and those who are raped should be allowed abortions, they can't take on the responsibility. Sharing all our income isn't right and neither is leaving billions to investments bankers. Black or white is never right, it's intelligent people willing to discuss the grey who are most right.

It's obviously ok to disagree with that idea, but we should be embracing our common ground in times like these

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star & flag for Hawking. IMHO please have politicians tested by psychiatric professionals as well. actually, i wish we could have leadership chosen by nomination of the common people. the inherent flaw in politics and law enforcement is those who want to do those jobs are too often the last ones who should be doing it. there is danger in the mindset of those who want to lord over us.

we the people should be choosing our leaders from among those we know. people we have seen in our lives who are of high moral standards, intelligent, hard working, sane and caring. look at the system we have, and what they have done. massive failure. shame on the lot of them.

Hawking your post made me feel good, really good. thank you for that.

Well that's what's going on. The democrats have thier beliefs and the republicans have theirs and all the other political organizations have others. They try to find common ground but neither side want's to go too far back on their principles so what you described is what is actually happening.

I'm still not seeing your issue.

Another thing to add to your list of canidate requirements-

Some sort of financial audit on campaign finance, maybe have a very small limit as to how much one can use to campaign, maybe limit media exposure to public access. So we know that elections can't be influenced or bought

Originally posted by kro32
Well that's what's going on. The democrats have thier beliefs and the republicans have theirs and all the other political organizations have others. They try to find common ground but neither side want's to go too far back on their principles so what you described is what is actually happening.

I'm still not seeing your issue.

Well how do you feel about gun laws? Should we have no guns? Should we have grenade launchers? There is a better option between the two we can both agree on. That's the point - compromise is important

When we are given a choice, is the moment we should be alarmed! If the media talks about it, it isn't good, no matter what channel!

That's what we have now is a compromise and it's constantly being debated as it should be. We have the right to bear arms as that's in the Constitution however the founders also gave Congress the ability to legislate the details which the Supreme Court has upheld so while I don't agree with every gun law I feel the system is working as it should.

They can take my gun...but they had better look out for the stick!