I'm not saying that Conservatives don't do this too, but every time I debate far left liberals with facts rather than their far out interpretations
they end up contradicting themselves and spreading lies, hate speech, and even death threats. This is one philosophical debate I had with a liberal
(name as X)
Topic was: Thinking is the number one threat to US National Security--
Me: If we couldn't think we'd be drones and lifeless, it's the actions of those those and the consequences of those actions as set by society
X: If people take the time to think about things not just doing cause both have synapses firing but real thought resulting in understanding,
questioning, and well more thought beyond just doing then you have a threat to the "normal" way of life. Thought begets realizations, epiphanies, and
generally a way of life lost to most 20th and 21st century people that involves philosophy and more.
Me: Just because you think about a protest, change, war, or starting anything doesn't mean its going to happen! You have to get out and do it!!!
X: Nietzsche, Heidegger, all great philosophy is lost on you.
In the words of Bill Hicks, "All matter is energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing our self subjectively,
there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves." Those exact words are the threat. They change the
world reducing empires to rubble simply because they are no longer relevant.
Did you know that Heidegger explained how simple existence, simple thought changes the very fabric of reality through quantum mechanics? THAT'S WHAT
I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!
This was a riddle you failed so solve, I had no expectation of anyone solving this as it is in fact a riddle meant to deceive and trick people who
believe they understand the world only to allow me to correct them.
PURE SIMPLE THOUGHT! It all starts with knowing what the letters mean.
Me: I get that but I can't see thought having much effect without action. Just bc you think it doesn't mean stuff will happen. You cant sit around all
day wishing and thinking things were different. Tell me someone/something that happened in history which happened as a result of pure thought!
X: You exist, the result of pure thought. History is changed.
Me: I exist because of a process and action without that I would not exist, hence why we can't remember what life was like b4 we were born. (if we
existed at all).
rocess and action called thinking, try again.
Me: Just because parents want/ think about having a child doesn't mean that it will happen. And obviously won't happen without the action that is
intended/implied. (obviously I was talking about sex here which he didn't understand)
X: unless you find a way to discredit Heidegger I advise you to stop trying so goddamn hard. You are a series of atoms only held in place by chemical
bonds supported by quantum particles that are in fact highly effected by wave energy, created by thought, and the existence of perception. So when you
find a way to tell me that actual factual thought does not change the very fabric of reality itself and does not alter quantum particles at all then
you can say that THINKING IS NOT IMPORTANT, that THINKING IS NOT THE BIGGEST TOOL OF DESTRUCTION, that THINKING IS NOT A THREAT.
If you have absolutely no evidence to refute it but your petty claims I suggest you find something better to do. One possible act you could pre-occupy
yourself with is sucking a tailpipe seeing as it would be a better use of your time.
There is nothing else that resonates in the universe so much as pure thought. From the simple brainwaves to the complex life from which it originates,
the whole concept of thought no matter the idea is THE THREAT, THE TOOL, THE KEY TO LIFE AND DEATH.
Me: I cant credit or discredit him. Because frankly his ideas and beliefs cannot be proven by science and FACTS. The example that you posted about the
atoms and chemicals is right but by insisting that thoughts is part of that eqution for life is a bit of a stretch and has yet to be proven! We don't
know how intelligence happened, he could be right. but even whatever caused life to form had to be an action Big Bang theory.
And you failed to say what type of thought is bad for national security, obviosly not all thought is bad. We do have freedom of speech.
If its all thought, what's the point to living?
X: Particles are affected by waves and waves are affected by particles this is science.
See Copenhagen Interpretation.
Then see Uncertainty Principle.
Then see Quantum Mechanics and Wave-Particle Duality.
This is science, this is thought, and thinking is the sole greatest threat to US national security.
Me: well lets just say that without thinking there wouldn't be a US. There wouldn't even be a human race as we know it. So it's not that much of a
threat and it will never be eliminated...
X: Here's the best way to put it, every thought is dangerous.
The civilian watching Jersey Shore is thinking distractedly but doesn't mind or give thought to the actions of political pundits who are actively
destroying the basis of the nation she so prescribes herself to and as such the words of George Washington are long lost and his warnings about
Political parties Null. Treat Identified.
It does not end there, the civilian active in grassroots movements understands and knows the problems in political America and can detail every single
one and knows the candidates best suited for the positions and with the highest likelihood of solving the problems people face today, he is a threat
to the current status quo because such thoughts would mean being completely against Bills like the Patriot Act, completely against arming Israel in
actions against the PLO, and against the Federal Reserve but that alters the status quo.
Whether the thought includes complicated systems or complex systems or anything in between it doesn't matter because every thought is yet another
variable of uncertainty and as such a threat to the current status quo and so it is a threat to the USA.
Thoughts are dangerous, and one mans thoughts created Nazi Germany. Thought is the driving mechanic of not only life but will and if so one persons
thought, will, and action should align you could have great bliss or great sorrow.
Look at the economy, people spend unbelievable amounts of time trying to figure out trends but they don't look at the root of the issue, the system
itself and if it were to be deemed irrelevant it would be disintegrated and all of that was just a thought.
Me: Ok so what's your point, stop thinking lolz?
But those thoughts HAD to be enforced by action. You can't just wish yourself supreme Nazi Dictator. You have to do it. And to say Jersey shore is
destroying society I think is a bit of a stretch. Ppl watch it to laugh at them mostly. Most ppl are blind to what's really going on, and your right
X: you really are an idiot. Two words: status quo
Me: OK your original point was that thinking is the number one threat to national security. I am trying to tell you that everyone thinks, and everyone
is part of some type of group/status quo. I don't really see the point to your original statement and I have been trying to make you understand that
thinking is not a threat, otherwise we'd be robotic computers.
If thought and brainwaves are fundamental building blocks of life, then aren't you just disproving your original statement? Thinking is a way of life
and therefore the threat can never be eliminated.
As for the idiot statement, well that's what happens when you argue with the left wing, they revert to name calling when they cannot back up their
claims with facts.
X: I am not saying your an idiot cause I don't have an argument or anything of the sort because I have had an argument every single time you have
haphazardly tried to break down this argument simply because I said you were wrong.
I am saying you are an idiot because you have not proven me otherwise. Nobody else asked why, and it's not cause they're stupid or anything of the
sort they just understood the treat I didn't have to delve into quantum physics for them I didn't have to give them political arguments they just
understood that in a complex system the greatest variable became the greatest threat.
Every thought in the complex system creates a wave, the more people behind the thought the greater the wave but with every thought there is a subtle
change. Simply put any thought can be potentially dangerous, look at how US national security interprets this, Project MKULTRA had an objective that
was to discredit individuals which essentially stops the wave or better put reverses it. Today, I can easily say that these thought waves are being
monitored every single one of them and it is supported by the Patriot Act. This is neither good or bad this is just an observation of facts. US
National Security to maintain it's status quo would need to control the thoughts of a majority of it's citizens to allow such a system to either go
unnoticed or uncontested.
Any thought is a projected threat to the system as the system prides itself on being uncontested. The threat will never be eliminated, it can only be
subdued albeit momentarily hence the title on why it is the greatest threat to US National Security.
Here is an example of the Thought Threat Matrix.
In late 2004 I came to the realization that the US had cyclical depressions and we were overdue for a depression and I told my then high school
economics teacher straight out of college "Mr. Kirouac of Wesley Chapel High School" which is 20 minutes or less from Saint Leo University. I was told
the free market would take care of it all and so the invisible hand would save us all. WRONG. This is one thought and I told people who did not
believe me one bit and I stayed quiet for a long time and the thought always lingered. The thought stayed and stayed and was always the same and
nothing changed but time.
Everyday I think about the end of the USA and what will come tomorrow, nobody hears me, nobody fears me, and the world keeps on turning. My brainwaves
have with many others torn apart the economic structure of the US Economy without moving a single bone, without a revolution or action and in our
inaction we have created chaos, a wave of chaos that has torn asunder the world.
There was a change in the status quo and nobody realized it and now US National Security will be hurt the most simply because there won't be a USA at
Me: Two things: Florida is known for having a bad school system. (He lives in Florida)
And this is all in your mind!!! Keep living your fantasy dreams about destroying the USA. I don't know why you want to destroy society as we know it
so much...Our system's not perfect but its the only one we've got, for now and its not going to change by thinking about it!!!!
X: I don't have to destroy society it destroys itself, I don't have to destroy the system it is getting destroyed by it's own irrelevancy.
This is no fantasy it's reality and every thought counts.
Me: You contradict yourself here so many times its funny.
I think Joel Barker sums it up pretty well here, "Vision without action is merely a dream. Action without vision just passes the time. Vision with
action can change the world."
X: My lack of action is an action in itself as defined by the word so Yea... contradict that and why don't you highlight it for me so I can correct
What's funny is that inaction is actually an illogical word considering it is the absence of action but not doing anything is an action in itself.
Me: You just proved my point for me lolz :-)
X: What point? My contradictions or your lame ass quote? Vision and Action, you can't disprove either, Contradictions you haven't proven any of them.
So what really is your point? Oh yea, I remember being a a worthless piece of flesh, an idiot, the bane of all existence. Go suck a tailpipe and free
up some needed air.
Me: My quote was made by a world leader while yours was made by a drug addicted comedian. I think its easy to see who's lame there.
You make yourself sound smart with long paragraphs, and by linking philosophy with science which can't be proven by facts at this moment in time.
If one thought really does interfere with the fabric of the universe and if thoughts were meant to do this than how is it a threat? I would think it
would be a necessity, not a threat and not alone to US National Security but rather the entire universe.
In your 'logic' (if you can call it that) thoughts could be helpful and a threat. But it really does depend on how they are USED.
On a final note, if you didn't want a debate you shouldn't have shared this controversial thought. Notice the little box with grey letters, "what's on
your mind?" You don't need to post this on Facebook, it could have stayed nicely tucked away inside your head where no one could get to it. But wait
what's that? You're contributing to the status quo by using this site and now the government knows about this threat!!! Thanx a lot X. You doomed us
Great THINKING on your part.
X: Yes my quotation is from a dead comedian who took all sorts of drugs but Aldous Huxley took drugs as well and he is still renown for his books
Heaven and Hell, Doors of Perception, and Brave New World.
Consider this John Lennon took '___' yet his messages about peace have affected millions.
Life is not about what you do to your body but what you do to the world and Bill Hicks, Aldous Huxley, Timothy Leary, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Peter
Tosh, and plenty of other druggies have done more for world peace in one year than politicians have done their entire careers.
Thought, Life, absolutely nothing is a requirement for the universe it would exist without thought. Thought brings life and yes it is a threat to US
National Security and no it will never be eliminated. This is a FACT.
Keep on trying more because you still haven't put up a valid argument. Where were the contradiction's buddy? Are you angry yet? Are you choking on
your own spit?
You sir are an idiot and I've met autistic people with greater mental capacity than you even druggies.
Me: I've already explained why the whole thing was a contradiction. You wont listen to anyone who has different ideas than you. You fail by not
understanding that your statement is opinion and not a fact, yet you try your hardest to make it seem so. You fail by debating on this website anyway
because the majority of the US population uses Facebook. You failed to even try to understand what I am even trying to do here. I am breaking down
your thought and showing you how ridiculous it is with facts and how the real world works. Yet you keep going back to your own thoughts, feelings, and
interpretations about how the world works. I think you need your mind checked. You need to stop taking drugs, and sit back and really try to figure
out what you are saying and what the point of this thought was and why you publicly shared it with an online community
You did it again! You said there is nothing in the universe that resonates more than pure thought. You said atoms and molecules are created by pure
thought, than how could the universe exist without it? We are all made from the same building blocks that came from the stars. See Science vs
Politicians DO way more in their lives that affect everyday people than entertainers DO. But this is a debate about THINKING not DOING. So it doesn't
matter. Nice try, trying to change the topic and failing once again. I see your getting tired and are mixing up your thoughts. And you are attacking
me now because you have run out of stuff to back up your ridiculous claim. You won't even consider the fact that YOU might be at fault here and YOU
might be wrong. But go ahead and take another puff. Your body needs it!
X: Check your definition of the universe, Astrologically the universe is an aggregate of matter, energy, and space so if there is no matter and no
energy the universe still exists it's just space. Thought is a wave of energy so the universe can exist without thought.
You have been trying to make my argument about national security into a metaphysical argument with little understanding of the subject. Yes thought is
a threat, No it cannot be eliminated. Your argument is a should or could argument and the answers for that are personal preference.
Me: The universe is everything in existence including thoughts and energy according to various definitions. Your original statement is a personal
preference something that you wont admit. Thinking is not and probably will never be on any agency or country threat list.
X: Project MKULTRA, The Patriot Act, Propaganda, and Mass Media Control beg to differ but if it wasn't a threat they wouldn't attempt to control
thought, or monitor it so what it comes down to is one simple sentence that even you should understand.
Me: Those aren't thoughts those are government programs and the media programs. Try again!
X: Thought control programs created by thought themselves as such so wo why don't you TRY AGAIN.
Me: Yeah but you can choose to turn off the TV, turn off the internet and live in the woods apart from the system with your own thoughts in your head.
Nobodys forcing you to watch/listen to these things. Nobody's forcing you to use facebook, nobody's threatening the US with thought ALONE!
X: The program exists because there is a threat... you do realize that right? Just because you distance yourself from the thought control program
doesn't mean thought isn't a threat because it's always going to be there hence thought control program.
I don't know why I even try anymore cause you haven't gotten wiser your still a #ing retard. Your still pushing on with little to no recognition for
what the words mean.
Why does anti-virus exist because viruses are threats they wouldn't just let viruses run amok would they? Thought control programs like MKULTRA,
legislation to support it like The Patriot Act, I don't know why it's so hard for you to see that if there is a thought control program there is a
Thought control is a threat to thought itself, but thought itself is a threat to US National Security. It's really not as difficult as you make it out
Me: You must be confused again, now you are for thought control??? You first gave the example of antivirus and viruses in debate about thinking
thereby comparing thoughts with computer viruses. But viruses can be eradicated in due time thought cannot be.
Anyway this isn't propaganda and/or government intrusion. Now, I'll admit that there are SOME small thought controlled testing going on with people
fully aware of what they are doing and participating in, but it's not on the level that you claim. I know and hate that the government is getting too
big, I'll admit that there is some media control over us (which you can choose to listen to or not). But that is a good thing, we need order otherwise
there would be chaos and then nothing would get done.Why is there newspapers? For easy access to news and opinions. Why is there government? To bring
order to chaos. Why did the thought of Google originate? Because the web held billions of webpages with no good way to get to them--again chaos. It
was chaos on the web back then with even some parts of it inaccessible. Same with the idea and thought of any other original company, movement, group
etc... These were all original thoughts and the programs allowed theses thoughts to be easily accessible or improved upon.
Just because the TV, internet, and other various 'propaganda' is there doesn't mean you have to listen to it. You CAN distance yourself away from it
and live your own happy life with the paranoid voices inside your head thinking that the Government is out to get you. Oh don't forget your tinfoil
hat, I hear they work well!
X: Your personal stupidity knows no bound, I'm done with this topic simply because you have the intellect of a insect. Like a miniscule insect you
seem to enjoy running into oncoming traffic and fire.
First you assume my intent which is not logic, not words. I've given you proof and not just once but many times over the course of weeks on actions
regarding the complex thought threat matrix and how it relates to the US government and it's National Security. These bound facts regarding
legislation, revealed covert operations, and plenty of documentation on quantum mechanics and how it was involved in the creation of the thought
Every time I say this is true you just bring up a social argument that has little to do with the FACT that THOUGHTS are registered on a threat
Your arguments about me being paranoid, your arguments about how it's good, or bad, or whatever you feel don't matter to arguments of FACT.
The word BOMB is prohibited in public areas because as soon as the word is mentioned the threat matrix registers the THOUGHT of explosives and
registers the origin as a threat.
You say there needs to be order, well maybe yes, maybe no but that is opinion that isn't FACT.
Now when you post again I am going to delete this threat and that is my FINAL RESPONSE because I'm sick and tired of regurgitating the same facts and
figures while you pansy on about moral issues because I REALLY DON'T GIVE A # ABOUT MORALS, I DON'T GIVE A # WHAT YOU OR ANYONE THINKS IS RIGHT.
THIS IS MY CEASE AND DESIST ORDER! THIS IS MY WARNING TO YOU AND IF YOU VALUE YOUR LIFE DO NOT APPROACH ME EVER. THIS DISCUSSION IS CLOSED. BRING IT
UP AND I WILL MAKE SURE YOU EAT OUT OF TUBES FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
Sorry for the long thread but if you read it you understand what happens here. This went over for the course of a couple weeks. I don't really
understand how to reason with these types of people. But it's an empty death threat anyway, he's just so blazed at the moment he doesn't know what
he's talking about. Feel free to censor the curses....
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