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posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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Hi guys,
I am quite new to ATS, but have nonetheless managed to read alot of threads here at the Paranormal Studies forum (and several other forums as well).

As you may see from my other posts I have mainly tried Hemi-Sync and to some extend hypnosis (bought a book "Change your life in 7 days" by that guy MacKenna - his first name escapes me right now - that included a cd with hypnosis techniques on), but no anymore exotic than that.

When I read some of the threads there seem to be a least 2 different opinion about the "spiritual" so to speak.

Both opinion seems to agree that some techniques, like RV, OOBE and Astarl Travel seems to open doors in your mind or make you more sensitive to paranormal phenomena.

One opinion however seems to be that this is nothing to fear, that you as human are more powerful than any entity you may encounter etc. etc.

The other opinion seems to be the opposite, that this techniques may open you mind to sinister or evil things, even leading up to possession cases.

One of the best threads that I have read so far is the thread

www.abovetopsecret.com...

that made me think about it all again. I freely admin that these kind of techniques - RV and the rest - do have a certain "catch" that interest me very much in a strange way, but as a Christian I am not really sure this is really good for me.

I know that there are people here from all walks of life, with different background, opinions etc. and I think this is great. You may know things I don't, and maybe I can contribute also.

But this really bothers me guys. Do these kind of techniques open you up to bad influence from "beings" (calling it tricksters, demons or whatever)?

In the thread that I link to above there was a link to the paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren that had several cases they had investigated. In one horrible case - this really freaked me out btw - a house and a family was haunted. This guy Ed asked the family whether they had had been involved in something occult, like Ouijaboards, seances etc. When they said yes, he said that this tended to open up or invite these evil beings that npow stalked them.

Wouldn't this be the same with some of the RV, OOBE and other stuff I have been reading about?

I really want to know your opinions on this.

// K




posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 08:39 AM
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Hi....and welcome!! I can only give my opinion here for what its worth, and I can guarantee it won't be the popular one. I think all these people playing around with all the" mind opening" techniques are paying dangerous games....most don't know what their doing....I sit and read, and shake my head at most of them....same thing with much of the mail I get from my site...everyone wants it NOW and they don't understand to effectively work takes knowledge and study...not learn as you go. You can indeed draw negative forces into your life and you won't realize it till it's way to late. There are tried and true was of doing things, step by step....and there are NO short cuts....that's my biggest problem with all the books out, which most are crap anyway.....and people just jump in with no knowledge of what they are doing....



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 08:46 AM
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Can you give an example of the "learn-as-you-go" vs. "takes knowledge and study"?

Are you talking about RV or meditation or...?

Btw, what kind of site do you have?

// k



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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i couldnt agree more with LadyV...all this "supernatural" powers are nothing new, read the old indian scripts or anything really spiritual and pure and you will find out that these are nothing but distractions on the path, to keep you away from what is really important. Take these "powers" as a test of some kind. You can never show off with them, cant make money with it, nothing...its absolutely useless, as LadyV said, you really should spend some serious time studying the subject to discover if this is what you need. I mean doing it is one thing, controlling it is the hard part. This has been known for thousands of years and these people are only discovering hot water over and over again, "saints" that have these powers are common in Nepal and India, and they do all kinds of stuff. They live in caves...

hey no one said it was going to be easy



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by nukunuku
i couldnt agree more with LadyV...all this "supernatural" powers are nothing new, read the old indian scripts or anything really spiritual and pure and you will find out that these are nothing but distractions on the path, to keep you away from what is really important. Take these "powers" as a test of some kind. You can never show off with them, cant make money with it, nothing...its absolutely useless, as LadyV said, you really should spend some serious time studying the subject to discover if this is what you need. I mean doing it is one thing, controlling it is the hard part. This has been known for thousands of years and these people are only discovering hot water over and over again, "saints" that have these powers are common in Nepal and India, and they do all kinds of stuff. They live in caves...

hey no one said it was going to be easy

Exactly! As stated above....many can "do" things, whatever your "thing" may be...but it is quite another thing to control things that you have opened! Also correct, is that fact that you need to evaluate "why" you want to open certain channels, and you must be sure that you are going to continue with your endeavors...to stop and start, play a while, then lose interest, then play some more...is extremely detrimental to yourself, and can also be problematic for those close to you.....study extensively before you do anything...


as to my site, it's in my profile...



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by kickass



Both opinion seems to agree that some techniques, like RV, OOBE and Astarl Travel seems to open doors in your mind or make you more sensitive to paranormal phenomena.

One opinion however seems to be that this is nothing to fear, that you as human are more powerful than any entity you may encounter etc. etc.

The other opinion seems to be the opposite, that this techniques may open you mind to sinister or evil things, even leading up to possession cases.

I freely admin that these kind of techniques - RV and the rest - do have a certain "catch" that interest me very much in a strange way, but as a Christian I am not really sure this is really good for me.

But this really bothers me guys. Do these kind of techniques open you up to bad influence from "beings" (calling it tricksters, demons or whatever)?


Wouldn't this be the same with some of the RV, OOBE and other stuff I have been reading about?



It opens your mind to paranormal activity because you are now taking in a lot more info usually overlooked/ignored by the typical mind. You are also operating at a higher level of consciousness.

We are more powerful than any entity as long as we are for the light however it doesnt stop demons/evil from messing up things around us and working through other people.

Mesing in the occult without knowlege couldlead to other entities stalking you but they can do that in any number of ways also. Look at the world now.

Personally I do not really use my power because I am unsure of the consequence. I just tak in the incoming )visions, prophetic dreams and see what happens futher down the line. To be honest, I think all of us who even interested are targets for evil because we seek a higher knowledge or have a higher calling to do something.

Keep in mind Im still struggling myself. Im only 4 years old as a mystic and it all came naturally but so does the problems.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
everyone wants it NOW and they don't understand to effectively work takes knowledge and study...not learn as you go. You can indeed draw negative forces into your life and you won't realize it till it's way to late. There are tried and true was of doing things, step by step....and there are NO short cuts....that's my biggest problem with all the books out, which most are crap anyway.....and people just jump in with no knowledge of what they are doing....


Agreed! However, I will say that there are times when "doors" are opened when the cosmos believes a person is ready for them, and without any initiative taken by the person in question. This has happened to me quite recently, and I had to do some research and backtracking to find out exactly what was being offered. Fortunately the openings that happen in this fashion are always (at least in my experience) positive, and only at a level where the person can get a handle on it before venturing further. You can't just open doors and ways willy-nilly, as each one requires a level of commitment and work that affects not only the individual but everyone around them. Take it slow, enjoy the process and do the work, and it will be a rewarding process. To rush things is to invite disaster, be it psychosis or uncontrolled abilities and entities that can cause as much harm as good.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by kickass
but as a Christian I am not really sure this is really good for me.






A christian should not be involved in the occult, mysticism, etc. in anyway. We all want to know the future and how things will turn out. As a christian, you have the Living God to direct you. Other beings wish your destruction.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 04:42 PM
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In all my years that are quite a few experiencing (things) so far nothing evil has come my way, I discovered a long time ago that evil is created and is as real as you wanted it to be.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 09:36 PM
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i believe humans naturaly will develop a new counscience to this issues. but nowadays they're just one more covered perspective of reality, many times seen as a negative interest. but the fact that to give some thought about RV, meditation, etc, is regarded with fear by the general population leads many more people to search for this "parallel world" and trying to "break" into it, as a way to be and feel different, as fast as they can.

this cannot be the righ path to start dealing with this questions. actually, these are mainly spiritual problems, leading to the general questions: who we are?, from where we came?, etc etc etc. to understand these psy activities we all must go with serenety, and we must feel we are emotionally secure. to have a chance to develope ourselves, and to grow up, we must be in a good mood with life itself.

no one should try to learn technics with negative thoughs in mind, or with rush. patience is a virtue. and the true power we have, we will never see it or feel it, it must be identified by the others without us to do a thing. and only then we can see the true human potential.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 10:00 PM
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This thread is rather fascinating for me as well, only in the fact of hearing others opinions, techniques (or lack of)...

With myself, I can only say this: I have never studied magic. I have never opened a book to learn something new. I have never had an instructor, or guidance, in the things I do. I just DO.



For me, magic has always played a part in my life, almost intuative... I don't know, I really can't explain it clearly. Umm... the things I do are a natural extension of myself? And there are alot of things that I do, or have seen...

I would agree that some things can lead you into... trouble. Others will not. It all depends on the mind set you begin with, what you seek to do, what you expect will happen, and what you intend. Ever hear of the Rule of Three? Karma? Same thing...

I also agree with... I think LadyV... there are no short cuts. Magic isn't an easy way out... like I've told some of my students, sometimes it is more powerful and meaningful to do things yourself than to expect it to be done for you.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
I discovered a long time ago that evil is created and is as real as you wanted it to be.



Tell that to Laci Peterson's family or Lori Hacking's. They will tell you evil is real and you cannot control it.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:01 PM
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I am yet another who agrees with LadyV. Be mindful of your path!

There is nothing wrong with seeking knowledge. It is given to us to create ourselves.

With knowledge comes power, and with power comes responsibility. Through the acquisition and application of knowledge and power, we define who we are, and pursue our unique destinies.

But beware: to seek power without knowledge is a seductive road. It is this that LadyV and others are warning you of. There is a fast track, but nothing is without a price. That path leads to darkness.

As corny as it sounds, a lot of that Force business in the Star Wars movies is based in fact. Beware the Dark Side, young Skywalker!


Just as there is Light, there is Darkness. Each of these principles is wound up within each of us. None of us is pure Light, nor is any of us pure Darkness.

Each path leads through both Light and Darkness. While it is fashionable to use the terms good and evil to describe these things (I do it all the time), in truth, both are necessary for anything to exist at all. It is possible to walk in the Darkness without being evil, and possible to walk in the Light without being good.

Those who walk in Darkness will seek to seduce you with power. Those who walk in Light will seek to seduce you with knowledge. Your Way will be your own individual combination of these things.

My path has led through long Darkness, and now emerges into Light, so I can say with great confidence that should you ever despair of your path, never forget that your course will forever be yours to change as you will. Do not be deceived into believing otherwise. Your will is given to you by God. It cannot be taken away except by God, who cannot do so without destroying you utterly.

My advice, based on that particular ignorance which is gifted to me, is to know the path upon which you walk, and embrace it, for it is yours alone to choose.

Take your time, for it is the journey which matters, not its end.


Footnote: Beware! There are indeed powers much greater than humans. Do not fear them, but respect them for what they are capable of. Ignorance is bliss only to a point. Go with wisdom.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
nor is any of us pure Darkness.




I am not trying to nit pick even though it probably sounds like it. But Hitler was into the occult and gave himself over to be used by evil spiritual forces. His actions prove you can be extremely consumed by "darkness" .



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt

Originally posted by marg6043
I discovered a long time ago that evil is created and is as real as you wanted it to be.

Tell that to Laci Peterson's family or Lori Hacking's. They will tell you evil is real and you cannot control it.


If evil were so easily dispelled, there would be little to occupy our time.

Do not mistake your perception of evil with the existence of evil. These are two different things.

The foundation of all existence lies in the mystery of balance. There is no Good without Evil, nor Life without Death.

For all the Good you can envision, there will always be as much Evil to match it.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
I am not trying to nit pick even though it probably sounds like it. But Hitler was into the occult and gave himself over to be used by evil spiritual forces. His actions prove you can be extremely consumed by "darkness" .


Though it is not fashionable to say so, Hitler was not pure evil or pure Darkness.

The extremes exist as prinicples, but are not found in practice. There is good and evil in all of us.

Hitler walked his own path, as was his wont. Though it clearly was a Dark path, it wasn't always so, and there was Light in him, nonetheless.

It is yours to see or not to see as you will.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
If evil were so easily dispelled, there would be little to occupy our time.

Do not mistake your perception of evil with the existence of evil. These are two different things.

The foundation of all existence lies in the mystery of balance. There is no Good without Evil, nor Life without Death.

For all the Good you can envision, there will always be as much Evil to match it.




I disagree that we need evil to keep busy. When Christ returns evil will no longer be. To some degree in the millennium, but after the 1000 years evil and sin will no longer ever exist again. And we will not be bored, God has planned an eternity of fruitful satsfying activity.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
I disagree that we need evil to keep busy. [...] God has planned an eternity of fruitful satsfying activity.


Perhaps God will indeed see fit to change things. Time will tell.

Activity without challenge, however, is rarely satisfying.

I don't claim to know the future, but I can agree that there will be no end to it. God cannot unmake God.

Just remember, God created all things, including "good" and "evil".

But I think we're probably straying afield of the topic.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 12:50 PM
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I have never encountered an evil entity that wasn't entirely human -- if not in flesh, then in origin. You get out of a spiritual path what you put into it.



posted on Aug, 19 2004 @ 05:24 PM
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Magic is, plain and simple, a tool. Just like tarot cards, ouija boards... cars and handguns. All are tools. It is how you use them that makes the difference.

And always remember this...

King Solomon had two demons chained under his throne...



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