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2/3rds of the Angels Stood by us, do you appreciate that?

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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:37 AM
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it sounds as if 1/3 of the angels got fed-up and did something about it

and the other 2/3 were just sheeple angels who just sort of went along with whatever god was saying. does it say that they were really noble and stood with god? or is it just "the other 2/3 stayed behind"?




posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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I appreciate the choices in life. I can be with God, or be in the middle, or not be with Him at all. Angels are real, get with it and appreciate it. and no they are not greys or other ET aliens in our universe. Get out of here. i've seen proof



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by Jordan River
I appreciate the choices in life. I can be with God, or be in the middle, or not be with Him at all. Angels are real, get with it and appreciate it. and no they are not greys or other ET aliens in our universe. Get out of here. i've seen proof


You probably mean something else with 'proof' than the official definition.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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You probably mean something else with 'proof' than the official definition.
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Hey Bogomil


Is this the first time you have heard someone say they saw a Spirit?

Just wondering.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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my brother has serious anger and defensiveness issues and sometimes takes them out on our family and I have loved him all the same for the 22 years he has been alive before me.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by MamaJ



You probably mean something else with 'proof' than the official definition.
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Hey Bogomil


Is this the first time you have heard someone say they saw a Spirit?

Just wondering.


Nope. I have detailed, direct, firsthand and extended experiences in this area myself. Unfortunately with what's called negative entities. They also tried to 'convert' me on a couple of occasions.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
This is really a thread just for believers, to non-believers consider it my attempt to discuss the morals of a fairy tale if you must.

In the bible it says that 1/3rd of the angels rebelled against God; but, that means that 2/3rds did not and actually care about us and are willing to have us above them, that is pretty amazing considering all the harm we do. Here are my questions, why should they believe in us becoming better and do you appreciate the fact that they trusted in us enough to stick it out and not rebel? What side would you take, or better put, would you do the same for us, do you love your brother that much that you will put up with his mistakes while he grows?


It had nothing to do with us at all. They obeyed God. This wasnt an issue about man being right or wrong, it was about Lucifer being wrong which led them to refusing to be decieved. They sided with God or they would be destroyed with the others. I don't think it even crossed the loyal angels minds to rebel. The most likely case was it was probably the lower level angels that ended up rebeling. I'm of the opinion the other arch-angels would rather die than turn on God, probably the seraph and cherubs as well. There are angels that look almost human, and have no wings, two of these types of angels appeared to Lot before Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.

Man was God's companion, that God created explicitly to walk with him and the angels all knew this and its what infuriated Lucifer and why in his jealousy he chose to have man destroyed. It was God's grace and his love for his companion that he enacted his Great Plan to redeem us.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Nope. I have detailed, direct, firsthand and extended experiences in this area myself. Unfortunately with what's called negative entities. They also tried to 'convert' me on a couple of occasions.
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Hmmmmmmm...Ok. You have really got my attention now. Please tell in detail your experience if you do not mind sharing it with us.

I have studied on the matter of both good and bad entities (ghosts). I actually have a neighbor who just moved from a Haunted House in Memphis. He and his family have lots of stories and they have been sharing them as we are on the edge of our seat in anticipation for the next sentence. I too have seen ghosts but none who were evil.

I wonder if these are just souls stuck ...

Maybe what you experienced was just that...a ghost instead of an Angel??



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by cosmicexplorer
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What amazes me is that 1/3....even though they are "in the know" ....still chose to go the opposite way. I mean Christ if you have angels saying they're out then how are we suppose to believe. I hate religion and think it has caused much more bad than good. Religion is good moral philosophy and a place for like minded people to meet...that is the best that has come out of it.


they werent "in the know" of anything. If anything they were being lied to. Lucifer was the first angel God made, and God gave him free will as he did Man. Lucifer took his free will and rebelled against God, and such was his influence that he decieved 1/3 of the angels. The other 2/3 knew better, God's Law was the Law. In God's eyes Lucifer was a tool that turned against him, and since God created the angels to never die, he built Hell to contain them. Hell was never meant to contain Man, it was meant for the fallen angels, but those who do not accept the second covenant (new testament) and accept Yeshua Christ as Lord and savior will be housed with the fallen angels in hell. The first covenant is the Old Testament, the second covenant is the New Testament. Many Jews before world war 2 realized this and they accepted yeshua Christ as the messiah and were saved. This doesnt mean they "converted", christianity is just a furthering of judaism. Christians believe everything Jews do plus one Yeshua Christ (Jesus) being the savior, but it is written in the end they will end their blindness and all jews will accept him.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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I still like my concept better.


I mean....why do so many wish to dramatize God and His Master plan? It is all quite simple.

ALL that is knows ALL.The Plan is a "good" plan and its one that MUST take place so Good will know bad and be able to observe and experiences the difference in this realm of "Time" and be able to perfect in Good!

Lucifer is an Angel who took on a role for God and all of us to perfect in Gods will and not ours. He shows us we are easily deceived and this is not wanted in the Heavenly realm. Only goodness can be in that realm. On this planet though we are allowed to perfect in "time" which allows the soul a quicker advancement for the spirit to know Good out of their wrong doings. We feel and sense this when we do something wrong. We know it and try to learn from it (mistake) and perfect on it as to not do it again.

We chose to come here and the Angels are indeed non- human and never will be. They were here when we were created and they guide us daily to perfect in the goodness of our free will and that of Gods Master plan. This plan has been set in motion and we continue to come back to perfect in the will of God. Our will is the same when we are not on this Planet. When we are back home our will is that of Gods. To perfect in goodness and light. Its just there is a much slower process as we are always in the light there. Only good prevails.

Why can it not be that simple??


Just askin....please no one get mad. This is merely my perception of the Word.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by MamaJ



Nope. I have detailed, direct, firsthand and extended experiences in this area myself. Unfortunately with what's called negative entities. They also tried to 'convert' me on a couple of occasions.
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Hmmmmmmm...Ok. You have really got my attention now. Please tell in detail your experience if you do not mind sharing it with us.

I have studied on the matter of both good and bad entities (ghosts). I actually have a neighbor who just moved from a Haunted House in Memphis. He and his family have lots of stories and they have been sharing them as we are on the edge of our seat in anticipation for the next sentence. I too have seen ghosts but none who were evil.

I wonder if these are just souls stuck ...

Maybe what you experienced was just that...a ghost instead of an Angel??


God has forbidden the dead to communicate with the living without his express permission. They MAY get God's permission to give a message of hope and strength or love, or a warning but that is all. These "ghosts" are not ghosts they are fallen angels in the guise of humans, an they can take the shape of anyone. Demons (fallen angels) atypically like to make you think you are hearing a love done say your name, or make you think they see you and play tricks on you. Sometimes they may claw you and scratch you in the shape of 3 claw marks which is a mocking of the Trinity of God. The stronger ones can pick you up and strangle you, while you can feel their hands choke the life out of you, but you are powerless to fight back.

I have had experiences with these "demons" as well. They are not bound to houses and can follow you anywhere you go. My experience was when i was 14 at my grandmother's house. I was sitting on her porch late at night alone, and a fallen angel came to me and said he would have my soul. This one claimed to be Lucifer himself and he did have wings and light shone from him almost enough to blind me, but i started feeling sick to my stomach and the light around him started to take on a dark sickly color. I knew something was wrong so i took off running across the field to get away but he came after me. I was running to the road which was 11 acres away. Just before i got the the road i heard a loud shout in my ear that said "STOP!", and for some odd reason i could no longer move, it was like i was paralyzed. Only a few seconds later a car came barreling over the hill doing 90 mph in a 35 mph zone with its headlights off. If i hadnt stopped right then i would have been killed.

The next morning i told my grandmother what had happened, and she said it wasnt my time, that after Christ went and took the keys of death and hell from satan he no longer could dictate who lived and who died. I believe it was God that told me to stop, thats the only being i know with the power to say a word and paralyze me to the spot.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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That was your spirit Guide in my opinion. The one that watches over you whom you have a relationship with back home. He/She is always guiding you even when you have no idea you are being guided.


We all have an opinion my friend. Please do not take offense to anything I say as it is really one opinion out of many. No right..no wrong. An Idea. ;-)



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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I have altogether some 150 hours of direct experience. My level of consciousness was the standard mundane one, I mean no meditation-, out-of-body- or closing-down of ordinary sensory input.

Mostly my experiences were visual, to some extent auditive, and on two occasions tactile. No taste or olfactory experinces.

I have been as close as two meters from these entities, and have communicated with them in various ways for extended periods.

I have met 10-12 different species, and say 100 individuals.

While the doings of these entities didn't fit with any human patterns, there was definitely an inner coherence to them, with clearly structured patterns.

Technically I'm not bonkers or have any brain-dysfunctions (I have been examined).

My usual objections lie not in a denial of such anomalies existing, it's the interpretation of them I find irrational and unrealistic.

That's all folks. No further derailing.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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Well the power that shut me down was immense, i have never known or felt anything like that until recently back on July 3rd when i had an experience of the Holy Spirit. The sheer glory,love,awe and light of God shown on my spirit, and i gave witness to my church. It began during worship service, i opened myself up and it flowed into me and through me and it was all i could do to contain it. My body was shaking/vibrating all through worship service and i was fighting it hard because my pastor had begun his preaching so i fought it till his sermon was done and then witnessed. Afterwards i was so drained and tired, i felt like i had fought a giant and my legs were shaking because i could hardly stand, and the longer i held onto the Holy Spirits message the hotter i got, i felt like i was being burned by holy fire and i was afraid if i didnt witness right then i was going to burst into flames, all this while feeling that unconditional love, joy,awe,reverence. I hit my knees, because i literally felt like i was in the presence of the Lord and i wanted to kneel in front of my King. I have never been an emotional man, but that day it changed me. Since that day i have dedicated my life even more to Christ, that i would be his preacher/prophet/healer or die if it was his will. It was that day i went from believing Christ existed to knowing it. That day changed my life forever.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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You wrote:

["It had nothing to do with us at all. They obeyed God. This wasnt an issue about man being right or wrong, it was about Lucifer being wrong which led them to refusing to be decieved."]

Aaaaa, but that's what you're expected to say based on your blind faith in your mythological manual.

A much more likely imaginatorium is, that Lucifer is the arch-liberal freedom-fighter. You're just reading the propaganda from one side.

And the sin/redeeming stuff is a story to justify the Jahveh faction. It never happened that way.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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Well the power that shut me down was immense, i have never known or felt anything like that until recently back on July 3rd when i had an experience of the Holy Spirit. The sheer glory,love,awe and light of God shown on my spirit, and i gave witness to my church. It began during worship service, i opened myself up and it flowed into me and through me and it was all i could do to contain it. My body was shaking/vibrating all through worship service and i was fighting it hard because my pastor had begun his preaching so i fought it till his sermon was done and then witnessed. Afterwards i was so drained and tired, i felt like i had fought a giant and my legs were shaking because i could hardly stand, and the longer i held onto the Holy Spirits message the hotter i got, i felt like i was being burned by holy fire and i was afraid if i didnt witness right then i was going to burst into flames, all this while feeling that unconditional love, joy,awe,reverence. I hit my knees, because i literally felt like i was in the presence of the Lord and i wanted to kneel in front of my King. I have never been an emotional man, but that day it changed me. Since that day i have dedicated my life even more to Christ, that i would be his preacher/prophet/healer or die if it was his will. It was that day i went from believing Christ existed to knowing it. That day changed my life forever.


(((((HUGS)))) for you my brother! I am soooo glad you experienced so much love and I know that feeling all too well. The love of God is always pouring when you open your heart, mind, and spirit to His love. This will forever continue as you walk beside Him.

Peace and love to you and yours!!!!!!! xoxoox

Jenn



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by bogomil
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You wrote:

["It had nothing to do with us at all. They obeyed God. This wasnt an issue about man being right or wrong, it was about Lucifer being wrong which led them to refusing to be decieved."]

Aaaaa, but that's what you're expected to say based on your blind faith in your mythological manual.

A much more likely imaginatorium is, that Lucifer is the arch-liberal freedom-fighter. You're just reading the propaganda from one side.

And the sin/redeeming stuff is a story to justify the Jahveh faction. It never happened that way.




You werent there, you don't know what happened. This is where faith comes into play. You either have it or you don't. I can tell by your post that youre a luciferian. You can go on being decieved by Lucifer if you want. As for me? I serve God and you will never make me doubt Him, try as you might.

You honestly think that Lucifer, whom was created by GOD,Yahweh,Allah,Jehovah,Yeshua,EL, a being who rebelled against his creator is GOOD? You're either deluded or insane. lucifer is the presentation of anarchy,chaos,lawlessness and evil. A being that chose to use DECEPTION as a tool to win his brothers to his cause can never be good.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
daskakik: Satan petitioned God for that assent, not that God merely gave him the power. Basically, God has control, but Satan has power, and will ask for anything he can get out of anyone. Also, most human teachers and parents ask questions of others when they already know the answer, and even sometimes know what the person asked is going to respond. Why can't God?


Doesn't matter it shows they are working together which makes it more a good cop bad cop situation rather than actual opposing sides. Also asking where someone has been is not like asking what's 2+2.
edit on 11-8-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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You wrote:

["You werent there, you don't know what happened."]

Neither were you, when atheists or other (semi?)-religionists have had experiences described similar to yours. Your experiences don't 'prove' your 'god'. They just demonstrate, that such experiences take place.

Quote: ["This is where faith comes into play."]

If you can accept other faiths on par with your own, fine.

Quote: ["You either have it or you don't. I can tell by your post that youre a luciferian. You can go on being decieved by Lucifer if you want."]

No you can't. I'm a pastafarian.

Quote: ["You honestly think that Lucifer, whom was created by GOD,Yahweh,Allah,Jehovah,Yeshua,EL, a being who rebelled against his creator is GOOD?"]

That he's a creation of 'god' is only part of your propaganda-machinery, on your premises.

Quote: ["You're either deluded or insane."]

A common christian reaction to opposition, when no rational arguments are available.

Quote: ["lucifer is the presentation of anarchy,chaos,lawlessness and evil."]

That's quite a convenient, but false category you have created here.

Quote: ["A being that chose to use DECEPTION as a tool to win his brothers to his cause can never be good."]

Careful with accusations of 'deception'. It may backlash.

You know: "Don't throw stones, if you live in a house of glass".



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by torqpoc
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Dear AgnarDaGr8,
I wouldn't go so far as to say a Jihadist, since that is extreme Islamic belief in a specific holy war.

I just don't have much belief or respect in anyone who follows a "set" religion, as all "set" religions are pretty much fabricated hogwash based on previous stories, pretty much all dating back to the Sumerian epoc. What irks me more than anything is:

1) They come on ATS posting claptrap about the Bible, the Qu'ran and what not and then en revanche, refuse to even read anything which is posted back at them from educated, enlightened people trying to at the very least make them see that there are other versions of man's history which pre date all of these concepts.

2) The very same religions discussed time and time again are, without a shadow of a doubt, the biggest pest and virus on this planet. Without them humanity would finally wake up to the realisation that indoctrinated belief is THE problem.

Regards,
T




I completely agree... But we cannot be mad at them. They are being manipulated... And it's a very vicious cycle... We need to just keep trying to teach and create awareness.



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