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Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Beside what ML is saying (which is completely correct), you must remember that there IS Lady's Freemasonry (I don't like the term "women's Freemasonry," as the Ladies involved in Lady's Freemasonry are most definitely of exalted charater, and therefore appropriately "Ladies") and Co-Masonry (which accepts both men and women). To pretend that women don't have access to Freemasonry is simply incorrect. Yes, sadly, they do have to work harder to get initiated, and if it were up to me, it wouldn't be so. But do you know the best way for women to ensure that Lady's Freemasonry expands and is more easy to join? Why, they simply need to join and work hard for their Order, just as men do.
Originally posted by LadyV
Why are three clubs needed for enlightenment? It makes no sense...
Originally posted by LadyV
will also put other exploitive films...if you support one, you are support it all with your money.....that's the point I was making....
Originally posted by LadyV
yet, those masons I have met in my life, were not that at all, the Masons was a club for men to go and get away from the woman in there lives and I have heard of other goings on at these meetings that did not correspond to enlightenment or moral values....
I have always seen the Mason as something close to a collage fraternity...and well know what that's all about...I'm waiting to be proven wrong.........
"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster,
and if you gaze into the Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Here in lies the problem with porn...there is NO innocent porn...it is all tied together...people like to think there is innocent porn in order to justify there use of it. Yes, there are those that do it for kicks...but the majority of it is horrifying and involves drugging, kidnapping, and child pornography...they all tie in together and branch out together. in supporting what people consider innocent porn, you are supporting it all...and before someone starts spouting that I don't know what I am talking about...yes, sadly, I do!
Originally posted by LadyV
So your saying that much of masonry is a get together of men...?
What do you do at these get togathers?
Also...when it is serious with ritual...what types of rituals are they?
What is the "means to an end" for them?
What "type" of ritual. Are they similar to religious ceremonies?
Also...do the mason do any type of outside work, such as charity, ect...thank you for talking to me..
Originally posted by theron dunn[/]
Masons are a group, donate over $760 MILLION dollars per year through various charitable activites, and give millions more per year in college scholarships, Angel Funds, community service and other activities meant to improve the communities in which we live and the lives of those around us.
Originally posted by LadyV
So your saying that much of masonry is a get together of men...?
What do you do at these get togathers? Also...when it is serious with ritual...what types of rituals are they? What is the "means to an end" for them? What "type" of ritual. Are they similar to religious ceremonies? Also...do the mason do any type of outside work, such as charity, ect...thank you for talking to me..
what types of rituals are they? What is the "means to an end" for them? What "type" of ritual. Are they similar to religious ceremonies?
Originally posted by Masonic Light
So, in a sense, Masonry is divided. One faction, the status quo of the fraternity, maintains the "old boys club" outlook, with little interest for philosophy or symbolism.
Some in this clique have even suggested we abandon initiation and degrees entirely, open our meetings completely to the public, and embrace the "civic club" attitude.
The other faction, the opposition of which I am myself a member of (I call us the "Masonic Trotskyists", lol), believes that Masonry is first and foremost a philosophical institution, and that the "civic club" mentality is an innovation and threat to our traditions.
We in the opposition faction are generally interested in the esoteric aspect of Masonry, most notably that contained in Kabalah and Hermeticism, and wish to transmit these traditions unsullied to posterity through Freemasonry.
Originally posted by stoneskull
Enter m'Lady: stoneskull.spymac.net...
Originally posted by AlexKennedy
I must say that either I disagree with your take on the situation, or Freemasonry is in a very different place up here in Canada. Up here, it is most certainly NOT the status quo for Lodges to be purely social.
I agree that the "club" mentality is an innovation and a threat, but I find it odd you consider yourselves revolutionaries a la Trotsky. This is very much the opposite of the way it is up here.
These interests tend to be universal among the Grand Lodge Officers, etc., up here. In fact, there has been only one District Deputy Grand Master for my district, to my knowledge, who has not been a member of an appendant body.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
As mentioned, I have no direct personal experience with Canadian Masonry, but from what I've read by the Canadian Brethren, conditions there are very similar to those here. Here, most of our Grand Officers are also members of the higher bodies, but being a 33� Grand Poohbah does not necessaily make one a Qabalist or Hermeticist, or even a Masonic student. I attended the conferral of the 32� recently, where the word "Kabalah" was mispronounced in the same way by each of the officers during their respective lectures. If they don't know how to pronounce it, chances are they have no idea what it means.