Originally posted by abeverage
Um...Bears don't have opposable thumbs

Sad yes but to strangle something or someone you need thumbs


I have no doubt that there are crimes against nature but this is not believable and shows the lack of bear anatomy. A bear could crush, slash, beat, crunch, eat, gash but never strangle its own young... just saying.

edit on 11-8-2011 by abeverage because: (no reason given)

The mother could have leaned on the cub with its paws, useing its weight to struggle it. Just an idea

This is one of the saddest things Ive ever read. I'm sick to my stomach after reading that.

Originally posted by predator0187

What a terrible story...

The fact that these animals are committing suicide should be telling enough. The minute a wild animal can think to create suicide there is something wrong.

Ok, let's get this straight.

I think, in my humble opinion, you can safely read between the lines of this story and get to the following conclusion ...


At the zoo, several men took a cup to harvest flood from it's stomache that according to folklore had healing properties. They didn't know how much they could take, so they took to much of the flood, killing the cup. The mother, hearing her cup deathcry came belching in a mothers rage, and had to be put down.

Of course, the poor fellows that believed in stupid folklore couldn't be blamed for the incident. As they were only trying to be helpful, so this was all the mother bears fault.


That is pretty much what you can read between the lines.

Bear murders cub and then commits suicide...

What does this say, if that is exactly what the bear intended to do.

The bear contemplated the future, understood the improbable nature of ending the pain, knew of death, knew of consequences...

This is actions of self awareness, no? It hints of creative solutions, intelligence, and deep feelings...wow, thats pretty profound actually.
Many people see animals in general as little more than meat machines..and I do believe some are just that, but this is showing at least bears have enough in common with us as a sentient species to be protected worldwide in order to develop

-ponders-

oh, yes, and sad story, but if it serves to further a discussion about what sentient beings are, then perhaps it may serve a greater good in the long run.

The story is very real guys, at least in China this thing can happen almost guarantee. They have saying in China that "anything that are four legged can be eaten" although a lot of animals are two legged. They just eat everything and do everything they think it is beneficial for them without morals to the creatures. Heard of eating monkey brain while the monkey's skull is cut open while it is still alive and fully conscious ? How about live ducks put on hot steel plates and cook them on their feet first, they say the meat tastes a lot better while it is cooked alive and the suffering of the ducks create more tasting meat.

I wished the Chinese of those who believe in such inhumanity and absolutely disgusting animal cruelty ate each other.

I have never ever heard or even could imagine that animals would commit suicide

I went bear hunting with a buddy of mine once. I wasn't hunting...only sitting in a tree stand and observing. We sat in those tree stands all day. Finally, at nearly dusk a small black bear came through. My buddy shot the bear with a bow and arrow. The scream it let out was heart breaking. The bear managed to run off perhaps 100' away, but being dusk, we didn't know where it went.

We went back later with some others to track the bear. When we found it, it was eviscerated, its guts laying on the ground. I haven't been hunting since and I refuse to hunt. I simply don't understand how anybody can do that, year after year, and not be affected by it. After he shot the bear, he "high fived" me and I was just thinking, "how can anybody be excited about that?" I believe all of life is a miracle from God, be it an ant or a whale, the wonderment of life is just astonishing to me.

Ok, I followed all of the links, watched the videos and even read the original post that the woman put on her site describing first hand what she witnessed with the mom and kid bear.

While the original tale started out with eloquent gross exaggerations, where it really lost me was when the woman reporting on this story said that the baby bear started to speak English and said "Mom" which triggered the attack from the mom bear.

Listen animal rights people... If you want support, stop making crap up. The truth of some of the horrible things that happens to animals is bad enough and there are plenty of examples where people need to intervene and do the right thing. But you simply make yourselves look like morons when you go making these wild outlandish stories up.

Anyone who thinks I am too harsh, you are welcome to follow the links already posted in this thread and read the original reports for yourself. THEN and only THEN if you think I am being too harsh, well... you have a few screws loose.

I'm a hunter. I have always made a clean kill. I eat meat, and I know where that meat comes from. Unlike a lot of people, who simply go tot he store and think the meat manifests itself out of thin air, I understand that what I consume was a life. Because of that, I don't waste anything. If that animal gives its life to me, the least I can do is show it the respect it deserves and NOT throw it in the trash. It sickens me when I see people throw away meat. Usually, these are some of the first people to criticize hunters. Yet, my food was living freely in the wild, had a good life, and got to see the world. Their food was raised in a slaughter yard, confined since birth.

When I see the barbaric things the Asian cultures do to animals, it makes me angry. I watched a show with Gordon Ramsay 2 nights ago, about shark fin soup. The sharks are caught, the fins cut off while the fish is still alive, and then tossed back into the sea to die. I'm sad this bear had to do that. I have a lot of respect for nature, and I don't consider any animal to be stupid (except my cat), and I would love to see this practice stopped immediately.

Now, that being said, it won't happen. In fact, it's going to get worse. Currently the United States is broke, and continuing to spend out of control. The "cuts" will most certainly come from the defense budget, and NOT the leaches on welfare. The U.S. can't stop China financially, and once the cuts start, you can forget about a military advantage as well. Ultimately, China and the Chinese culture will prevail, and this practice will take place right here in the good 'ole USA. Just give it time. The only solution is to cut our spending and return the U.S. to a strong economy, and a stronger military. But, just like those who toss the meat in the trash, the people who are most against this are the same people who want the US military cut to nothing, and think that "multiculturalism" is a good thing. So, I guess they get what they get. Enjoy.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
I've seem some deer kills by friends of mine and I just could never get excited about seeing an animal covered in its own blood, with compund fractures from where the bullet shattered leg bones

Your friends must be horrible shots if they're hitting the legs. What are they using, and M-60 to hunt? Spray and pray? Geez.

Originally posted by Spencer1989
Can I ask why they dont eat the bears also? I think that bile farms are bad and all that but why do they waste the bear as well?

Having eaten bear a few times (not a whole one, obviously) I can say that it's pretty good... so why discard the animal after the bile is taken? Why not kill the animal like you would a cow, process it to be eaten and then use the bile as a leftover?

The sad thing is that they do not kill the bear ...they "just milk" their bile fluid ....the bears are kept alive as long as possible.