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Ron Paul voted to not protect children from harm

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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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some thing the stats and people made.
the FBI wont to take control of.
and make it look like they are the good guys.

nice play kro32.




posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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I'd vote no against it, too. The federal government has a very poor track record on most of its programs. Some federal programs do the exact opposite of what is intended. EPA has done what, exactly? FDA? FTC? BATF? TSA? A federal program would basically assist people who abduct children to abduct more children.

Maybe an exaggeration - but not much of one. The cost of the program would skyrocket. Either way, you're trying to make Ron Paul out to be...who knows what. That's just plain stupid. Maybe talk to Obama about why he appointed someone to oversee education programs who was explaining fisting to 8th graders.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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This type of malarky won't fly on ATS, but it scares me how many sheep will see comments like this from the MSM and honestly believe Ron Paul supports child molesters.

Individual liberty and small government, is it that hard to understand, folks?
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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Kro,

You got your ass handed to you on the first page ... give up you lose!

EPIC FAIL

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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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To date there have been 523 children recovered from predators using this system
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He is not against protecting children. That is a silly statement. He is against big government. Since there is such a success rate with the current program there is no need to break it by federalizing it.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Nice try hater!

Maybe next time you should provide all the facts instead of the ones that only suit your agenda.

You're as bad as the mainstream media.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:52 PM
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"Thread by Kro32"

Oh boy when I saw that I just had to click it.


Anyways it's been pointed out that this is a sensationalized story. The amber system is fine as it is. We don't need government mandating us to do things. I get sick of them telling us to do things as is.

I mean think about it, the amber system saves lives now, do we need it to be national? No we don't.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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One problem I see with making this federal.

We all know by now that paedophiles are in high positions of power. By making this program federal, it makes it easy peasy to infiltrate and control. Meaning the paedophiles with connections to high places have high chances of slipping through the system.

That's one of the problems with a global government at this stage. Instead of the bankers having to control many countries, they only have to seize control of the one entity instead.

I vote the states should be in control, and communicate with each other. Makes it harder for the peds to take over and control it.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by MegaMind
Kro,

You got your ass handed to you on the first page ... give up you lose!

EPIC FAIL

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And to think that Kro supports the east Libyan rebels is agaisnt Ron Paul a man who stands up for the American people and its freedoms


I am pretty lost on this one.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
This is not a Constitutional issue whatsoever and my point was that Ron Paul turned it into one. The Constitution makes no mention either way about actions like this, the States are initiating this action so where is the dilema? It is simply allowing a message to travel across State lines and the States agree with it.



When dealing with something like this you have to be as granular as possible. The Federal government can't do jack squat about a missing kid. Only a neighborhood/city/state can. It's a states issue and Dr. Paul's argument is just that. You may have to just deal with the fact that he's right. Don't let it scare you, bro. It'll be OK.

/TOA



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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there are often all sorts of attachments to proposals that also weigh heavily on whether or not a yes or no vote is cast. afterwards we hear or read a excerpt of what took place, instead of the entire story.

i don't care what paul did or didn't do, i'm just commenting on the big picture.

this country is beat to death with "oh no! won't someone think of the children!". that mindset just helps to keep chipping away at the stone.

the bulk of those amber alerts and milk carton pictures are children that are safe with a parent. one of the parents is upset due to a judges decision and makes a desperate move. most of these children are never in harms way. use of a panic system in these cases is abusing such a system, IMHO.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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State control. Not Federal...thats the argument.

It has nothing to do with RP "not caring about children"...its that he doesnt want a massive buearocratic (I know I butchered that spelling) monstrosity running the whole thing...


Jeez...talk about twisting the story into something else...



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by kro32

Ron Paul voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.



This is the bill he voted against:


Vote to adopt the conference report on the bill that would assign a national coordinator for AMBER alerts. AMBER alerts is an alert system for missing children, make available additional protections for children and set stricter punishments for sex offenders. Two-time child sex offenders would be subjected to mandatory life sentence. The measure would make it a crime to pander visual illustrations of children as child pornography. It would increase maximum sentences for a number of specified crimes against children. It would also make it a crime to take a trip to foreign countries and engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor. It also would enlarge law enforcement’s wiretap and electronic surveillance abilities in investigations of child pornography. Reference: Child Abduction Prevention Act; Bill S 151 ; vote number 2003-127 on Apr 10, 2003


Now you are probably asking yourself why any normal thinking person would oppose such a thing as this. Well his reasons are that it's not in the Constitution......what?


However, Mr. Speaker, I am concerned that making the AMBER Alert system a Federal program is neither constitutionally sound nor effective law enforcement. All Americans should be impressed at the demonstrated effectiveness of the AMBER system in locating missing and kidnapped children. However, I would ask my colleagues to consider that one of the factors that makes the current AMBER system so effective is that the AMBER Alert system is not a Federal program. Instead, states and local governments developed AMBER Alerts on their own, thus ensuring that each AMBER system meets the unique needs of individual jurisdictions. Once the AMBER Alert system becomes a one-size-fits all Federal program (with standards determined by DC-based bureaucrats instead of community-based law enforcement officials) local officials will not be able to tailor the AMBER Alert to fit their unique circumstances. Thus, nationalizing the AMBER system will cause this important program to lose some of its effectiveness.


chip91.wordpress.com...

I'm sorry but protecting children should be bound by no jurisdiction whatsoever and should be a priority no matter what any piece of paper says. To date there have been 523 children recovered from predators using this system and they might very well be dead if it had been up to Ron Paul.

www.missingkids.com...

Ron Paul for President...yeah ok



Who ever you are, please don't post anything else here (or anywhere else for that matter). You obviously don't get what Ron Paul is saying. The alert system works because it IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT A FEDERAL PROGRAM. As Ron Paul said, "However, I would ask my colleagues to consider that one of the factors that makes the current AMBER system so effective is that the AMBER Alert system is not a Federal program." Everything the Feds put their filthy hands on winds up either over budget and/or failed.

I do agree that protecting children should be of utmost importance. However this is not a nanny state (but oh so close) and therefore the parents are the ones who should be the first defenders of their children. Will you people stop relying on the government!



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Honestly I'm starting to think Ron Paul is not the best polititcian. I no longer agree with his economics and I've heard that he is a Freemason / Rosicrucian. The NWO always controls all sides in any situation. Ron Paul is like the release valve



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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Probably something about the "Stricter punishments for sex offenders" he didn't agree with.

Edit: Also yes, the "National Coordinator" was what he was voting against, not the system itself. He knew that once the feds got involved the whole system would be f***** up.


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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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I saw the thread title and thought, "What? No way..."

To say that Ron Paul voting against the expansion of federal powers somehow equates to ambivalence to the plight of abducted children is beyond absurd. The Fed passed the "bloated" stage quite a while back. I understand RP's position and tend to agree with it.

Fortunately, previous posters have pointed all this out, so I really don't need to say much more.

To the OP, Really? You are not unintelligent. Surely you can do better than this.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:05 PM
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This is the best Ron Paul bashers can do? LOL. Why don't you talk about the horrible things the person you want to run this stage production think?

If you don't vote for Ron Paul, you worship Satan.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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You've heard he's a _____. So with the rumor of him being a _____, and documented proof of the "mainstream" politicians being _____, you would rather go for the documented _____.... Gotchya. Makes perfect sense.

ETA: He's also documented with a voting history in his congressional seats as voting certain ways every time. So you would rather go with someone who is connected to a large corporation, known member of CFR, Tri-lateral Commission than for someone who's voted for his constituents....Gotchya.
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
I'm sorry but protecting children should be bound by no jurisdiction whatsoever and should be a priority no matter what any piece of paper says.


No. The government is more dangerous to everyone, including kids (and their future) than predators ever will be. Every step by any government agency to gain more control over people should be met with intense scrutiny. "Terrorism" "protecting our kids" -- these are tactics used by the government to destroy freedoms. I could think of dozens of ways the government can and will abuse the new restrictions you listed, to destroy the freedoms of innocent people. The US already has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and you want to make even more questionable laws, imprison more people on the suspicion of danger. Pathetic.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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More spying, more spying on Americans travelling internationally, more spying, and more spying, I can see why he voted against it.

For some reason the OP makes me think of another thread going on here atm "I was a paid troll".



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