I think Kro must be a campaign worker for Ron Paul. Look at this great thread on Ron Paul, his ploy worked like a charm!

Oh well, we've been manipulated, but it was for RP so it's all good.

Alot of people apparantly are thinking this was a recent vote which it was not. The Amber Alert System has been in place for many years and has saved over 500 children. There was no comparable system before this which is the very reason this legislation was put into place. I would understand if the States could do it themselves but they simply weren't and had no intention too.

Since this has been in place there has been no government takeover of anything it is just a coordination between agency's to help find abuducted children and it has helped unite families that might not have had a chance under the previous various systems.

The Amber Alert System is simply a way to get an alert out nationwide and someone please explain how this is detrimental to anything? Each individual State's police organization decides on whether to issue an alert or not and it is not decided by the federal government. Here are the specifics of the how the law works.

An AMBER Alert or a Child Abduction Emergency (SAME code: CAE) is a child abduction alert bulletin in several countries throughout the world, issued upon the suspected abduction of a child, since 1996. AMBER is officially a backronym for "America's Missing: Broadcasting Emergency Response" but was originally named for Amber Hagerman, a 9-year-old child who was abducted and murdered in Arlington, Texas in 1996. Alternate alert names are used in Georgia, where it is called "Levi's Call"[1] (named after Levi Frady); Hawaii, where it is called a "Maile Amber Alert"[2] (named after Maile Gilbert); and Arkansas, where it is called a "Morgan Nick Amber Alert"[3] (in memory of Morgan Chauntel Nick). Frady, Gilbert and Nick were all children who went missing in those U.S. states.

AMBER Alerts are distributed via commercial radio stations, satellite radio, television stations, and cable TV by the Emergency Alert System and NOAA Weather Radio[4][5] (where they are termed "Child Abduction Emergency" or "Amber Alerts"). The alerts are also issued via e-mail, electronic traffic-condition signs, the LED billboards which are located outside of newer Walgreens locations,[6] along with the LED/LCD signs of billboard companies such as Clear Channel Outdoor, CBS Outdoor and Lamar,[7] or through wireless device SMS text messages.

Those interested in subscribing to receive AMBER Alerts in their area via SMS messages can visit Wireless Amber Alerts, which are offered by law as free messages.[8] In some states, the display scrollboards in front of lottery terminals are also used. The decision to declare an AMBER Alert is made by each police organization (in many cases, the State Police or Highway Patrol) which investigates each of the abductions. Public information in an AMBER Alert usually consists of the name and description of the abductee, a description of the suspected abductor, and a description and license plate number of the abductor's vehicle, if available.

Now tell me again why anyone would vote against a way to get a message out about missing children?

Originally posted by kro32


Now tell me again why anyone would vote against a way to get a message out about missing children?

Again, because it's not authorized by the constitution. Did you see the info I posted where it shows Paul voted no on the section 8 housing? The vote yes was for the amendment, he voted no for the final vote.

This is not a Constitutional issue whatsoever and my point was that Ron Paul turned it into one. The Constitution makes no mention either way about actions like this, the States are initiating this action so where is the dilema? It is simply allowing a message to travel across State lines and the States agree with it.

Originally posted by kro32
Now you are probably asking yourself why any normal thinking person would oppose such a thing as this. Well his reasons are that it's not in the Constitution......what?

Here's the reason why this thinking person is opposing it; because "protection," and particularly protecting "the children," is one of the main pretexts that fascists use for attempting to erode personal freedom.

They also rely on the type of hysteria that is evident in your post, to carry said attempts through.

As far as referring to the American Constitution as a piece of paper is concerned; my guess is that you have that attitude, because you've never actually lived in a scenario where you don't have the freedoms that said piece of paper provides. However, don't worry; we're seeing more and more people being given the opportunity to experience such a scenario every day. I'm sure yours will come soon.

Care to explain what in this law would erode your personal protections?

The people wanted this and I would task you to find one single parent who has a child abducted who would say not to splash this news in every corner of the country because it might hurt their rights.

I have to agree with Ron Paul on this one. The article clearly says that he isnt against protecting children, he just thinks the Federal government can't do it better than the State and Local.

If it ain't broke, dont fix it.

Are you really not getting it Kro?

The AMBER system is working AS IS with NO FEDERAL intervention. It is working well, as evidenced by the articles you are quoting. There is NO NEED for a federal program. It is being used mearly as a political ploy so that those who recognize that there is no need for a federal program can be labeled as "against children".

In Texas, the AMBER system is also used to locate missing elderly folks (by the moniker "Silver Alert"). Does the Federal program handle this?

And the states do, in fact, coordinate with each other and also the FBI (given that kidnapping is a federal offence). So again, no need for a federal program. Other than to waste more money...

It is ain't broke, don't fix it!

Originally posted by seedofchucky
" would ask my colleagues to consider that one of the factors that makes the current AMBER system so effective is that the AMBER Alert system is not a Federal program. Instead, states and local governments developed AMBER Alerts on their own, thus ensuring that each AMBER system meets the unique needs of individual jurisdictions"



He doesnt want the government involved in the program . He wants local governments to deal with it because its more effective that way and more local ....


Bigger government is what he has always opposed

What are you on glue today?

Ron Paul is doing and saying what he always has


less government


You clearly didn't understand Ron Paul


Of course he cares of the safety of children



"To date there have been 523 children recovered from predators using this system and they might very well be dead if it had been up to Ron Paul" - op


Kind sir these are harsh words for mr Paul . may i remind you that he was a doctor who delivered more then 4000 babies?

Ron Paul has a special place for children in his heart and is looking out for them even more then the fed government is . He really is a man of principal how do i know ? His 30 year track record =/

edit on 10-8-2011 by seedofchucky because: (no reason given)

Thank you for explaining that. How easy it is for some people who are ignorant of the full facts to wrongly discredit, intentionally or not, someone's integrity.

Originally posted by kro32
Care to explain what in this law would erode your personal protections?

The people wanted this and I would task you to find one single parent who has a child abducted who would say not to splash this news in every corner of the country because it might hurt their rights.

I agree with kro......I think we should do WHATEVER it takes to keep our children safe.......I personally have my 3 locked in a room good in tight. I've taped on mittens so that cant stratch themselves and rubber suits in case they fall down.....of course I've also had an rfd tag placed around their ankles and cat tracking device installed in their left ear.!!!

Seriously, I really feel you are using any means...even ridiculous means, to try to discredit one of the few people left who actually DO care about the welfare of this country and its families...
Shame on you Sir