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Originally posted by mustard seed
So we now must have religious Pee tests? Everyone swallowed that bit easily enough for a paycheck that is worth less now than when I graduated high school almost 40 yrs ago. While the wealthy, I mean ¨Job creators¨ incomes soared. So now what is the next boundary they will cross? I mean they already have folks happy to give up THE most intimate details of their very body, so why not your soul now too? You face the choice everyone must face ,only you are realizing the nature of the choice. What of myself will I give for this job? When do they ask too much and compensate too little? Am I willing to suffer hardship for my principles, or will I acquiesce and obey for the paycheck?.
Originally posted by hotbakedtater
reply to post by generik
I have no problem with anyone's religion or race. I do have a problem with religion being forced upon me at a mandatory work related meeting.
Originally posted by James1982
For the people that don't see a problem with the situation the OP described, lets look at this a different way.
Say an office manager took his employees, many of them female, to a "teamwork building retreat" Now say, as a venue for this retreat, they chose a porn shop.
Do you think a woman who was forced by her employer to attend a meeting at a porno shop would have any grounds for a lawsuit? I do. Why is this any different? The employer chose the location of the venue, and the employer should have made sure it was an area that wouldn't be controversial or offensive to their employees.
I'll make another comparison. Say an employer took his employees to a teamwork building retreat at a Mosque. Say there was a pretty extreme brand of Islam being taught at this Mosque. They don't say anything about Islam during the meetings, but there are posters and brochures everywhere talking about the evils of America, how Christians are bad. The employer is FORCING people to view extremist Islam literature.
A few years back I worked at a warehouse that had a sales team and management that was 100% deeply religious people. Nobody in the warehouse was religious. The warehouse manager was promoted to a salesman, so he now moved into the office. Every morning, the office people would all do a large prayer circle before starting work. The new salesman, who used to be the warehouse manager, politely refused to take part in the prayer circle. The next day he was demoted to an order selector, not even his old job as warehouse manager that he had been doing for over 3 years. He quit, and he sued the company.
Me and him were good friends so we stayed in touch, he got a VERY LARGE settlement because the company didn't want to go to court. They knew they screwed up. You can't make your employees take part in a prayer circle. The story the OP has told doesn't seem much different. They are making it a requirement for their employees to be involved in religious activities, and that's wrong.
My place of work has all the staff attend a mandatory teamwork meeting. I ask around about this meeting, and am told it is a Secret, even the location, as it is being held off worksite.
Key Federal Hate Crime Statutes:
Federally Protected Activities, 18 U.S.C. § 245.
The portion of Section 245 of Title 18 which is primarily enforced by the Criminal Section of the Civil Rights Division makes it unlawful to willfully injure, intimidate or interfere with any person, or to attempt to do so, by force or threat of force, BECAUSE OF that other person’s race, color, religion or national origin AND BECAUSE he or she is, or has been, engaging in one of six specifically-enumerated activities:
-Enrolling in or attending a public school or public college;
Participating in or enjoying a benefit, service, privilege, program, facility or activity provided or administered by a state or local government; -Applying for or enjoying employment, or any perquisite thereof, by a private or state employer; -Serving as a juror or prospective juror in state court; -Traveling in or using any facility of interstate commerce or transportation; -Enjoying the services of a place of public accommodation, including a hotel, motels, restaurant, bar, gas station, theater, concert hall, sports arena, or other place of entertainment.
A violation of this statute is a misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in prison, unless the offense involves an aggravating circumstance. If the crime results in bodily injury or involves a dangerous weapon or fire, the crime is punishable by up to 10 years imprisonment; if the offense results in death or involves kidnapping or aggravated sexual abuse, the crime is punishable by any term up to life, or by the death penalty.
FINDINGS; POLICY. [22 USC 6401.]
(a) Findings.‑‑Congress makes the following findings:
(1) The right to freedom of religion undergirds the very origin and existence of the United States. Many of our Nation's founders fled religious persecution abroad, cherishing in their hearts and minds the ideal of religious freedom. They established in law, as a fundamental right and as a pillar of our Nation, the right to freedom of religion. From its birth to this day, the United States has prized this legacy of religious freedom and honored this heritage by standing for religious freedom and offering refuge to those suffering religious persecution.
(2) Freedom of religious belief and practice is a universal human right and fundamental freedom articulated in numerous international instruments, including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, the Helsinki Accords, the Declaration on the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and Discrimination Based on Religion or Belief, the United Nations Charter, and the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.
(3) Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights recognizes that ``Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion. This right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance.''.
Article 18(1) of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights recognizes that ``Everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience, and religion. This right shall include freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice, and freedom, either individually or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice, and teaching''. Governments have the responsibility to protect the fundamental rights of their citizens and to pursue justice for all. Religious freedom is a fundamental right of every individual, regardless of race, sex, country, creed, or nationality, and should never be arbitrarily abridged by any government.
but it was a Teamwork exercise, and as a supposed member of the Team, I came away with extremely negative feelings, and feel as a good member of the Team I do need to share my feedback for the future projects. I hope they appreciate the couratge it will take me to speak up and appreciate the feedback,