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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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my grandfather fought the nazis, what have these immigrants done for blighty? and do you really read the sun? sister paper of the news of the world? murdochs bull? lol
edit on 10-8-2011 by allintoaccount because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
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In certain areas/neighbourhoods in England there are distinct races that group together in gangs depending on their race. These gangs act and behave in certain ways.

For the OP to point this out or discuss it is not racist.


That would be fine except the OP is bringing up things like a system designed to keep the white working class down or Black/minority education classes in college. Not sure how that relates to gangs in neighborhoods.

are you saying the system is not set up to keep people down? do some research on social mobility in th u.k ,then come back and admit your wrong



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by allintoaccount
reply to post by PW229
 


my grandfather thought the nazis, what have these immigrants done for blighty? and do you really read the sun? sister paper of the news of the world? murdochs bull? lol


Your attempt to distract from the point by calling into question the source of the story rather than the point I am trying to make is a well known tactic of those "on the back foot."

Is this source a little better for you:

www.newstrackindia.com...

Or is your blood now boiling?

Hopefully ATS leadership will spot the rather insidious attempts by extreme right wing elements to hijack ATS over the past few days and put a stop to it.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
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In certain areas/neighbourhoods in England there are distinct races that group together in gangs depending on their race. These gangs act and behave in certain ways.

For the OP to point this out or discuss it is not racist.


That would be fine except the OP is bringing up things like a system designed to keep the white working class down or Black/minority education classes in college. Not sure how that relates to gangs in neighborhoods.
the fact of the matter is without recent mass immigration the u.k would have full employment for bothe whites and second generation afro caribean/asians. surley you can undrestand that.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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and A.t.s reccomend not resonding to trolls, oops sorry a.t.s. THE BNP is legal and above board or they would be outlawed.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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The BNP are a bunch of extreme racist thugs under the guise of an anti immigration British 'peoples' party. Socialism in the extreme, born out of the National Front.

You say your grandfather fought in the war. Mine did too! The BNP go against everything that they fought for in WW2.

In from Workington, West Cumbria. Our steel works shut down leaving a lot of people on the job scrap heap and at the mercy of the eastern Europeans flooding in and taking all the jobs. This town is not what it used to be and I would be lying if I said there was no bad feeling but the fault doesn't lie with the immigrants. They are just coming to try and carve out a better life.

Personally I think there is a lack of education in this country, I agree with some of what you say about the education system. However I went to comprehensive school and then onto university with good grades and my parents are'nt rich. Granted I had both parents at home and both worked full time but we were'nt priveleged by any standard.

My view on immigration is simple. Have limits and Educate those coming to our country on the British way of life. Right now they are just dumped into communities and expected to get on with it. What happens? They stick together, its natural and this breeds contempt in native populations.

Britain has always had an open door, its always been a multicultural and welcoming nation. It seems today we
have a kind of self imposed segregation in place? This is where we need to look and find out why?

As for the rioters, their nothing but a bunch of opportunistic criminals following the crowd on facebook in my oppinion.

Chin up mate, I understand your animosity but the answer isn't to vote for the BNP. Things would be a lot worse, trust me.
edit on 10/8/2011 by Grifter81 because: wasn't finished oops!



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by CrimsonMoon
reply to post by kro32
 


In certain areas/neighbourhoods in England there are distinct races that group together in gangs depending on their race. These gangs act and behave in certain ways.

For the OP to point this out or discuss it is not racist.


That would be fine except the OP is bringing up things like a system designed to keep the white working class down or Black/minority education classes in college. Not sure how that relates to gangs in neighborhoods.


Well if your not sure how it all relates to it then why call the OP racist?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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i have never blamed the immigrants and never will, i blame the goverment. i agree with most of your post but cumbria is a bit different to Sheffield and our open boarders really only opened 15_20 years ago.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by yzzyUK

Originally posted by allintoaccount
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you would find it racist wouldnt you, this is a white working class perspective,jeeze.


I actually feel sorry for you.

seriously.



I feel for sorry for you yzzyUK. The OP was pretty brave to post his feelings his, some of which I sympathise with. I guess the "I'm not racist" was a disclaimer which in this case you have turned around to imply that because he made that statement then he most definitely is racist!

I'd say the OP is probably quite down about the current situation and his prospects and as is usual human behaviour is looking to explain the reasons for this. I happen to think that some of what he mentioned is actually correct, particularly in northern towns and cities.

I am for immigration - in general. But it shouldn't be allowed to continue indefinitely just because it is a nice idea. The facts of reality should also be considered at some point. And as OP points out we don't really need any more immigrants in the UK at the moment. Plenty unemployed people here already, and they are currently trashing the streets and livelihoods of others.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Grifter81
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The BNP are a bunch of extreme racist thugs under the guise of an anti immigration British 'peoples' party. Socialism in the extreme, born out of the National Front.

You say your grandfather fought in the war. Mine did too! The BNP go against everything that they fought for in WW2.

In from Workington, West Cumbria. Our steel works shut down leaving a lot of people on the job scrap heap and at the mercy of the eastern Europeans flooding in and taking all the jobs. This town is not what it used to be and I would be lying if I said there was no bad feeling but the fault doesn't lie with the immigrants. They are just coming to try and carve out a better life.

Personally I think there is a lack of education in this country, I agree with some of what you say about the education system. However I went to comprehensive school and then onto university with good grades and my parents are'nt rich. Granted I had both parents at home and both worked full time but we were'nt priveleged by any standard.

My view on immigration is simple. Have limits and Educate those coming to our country on the British way of life. Right now they are just dumped into communities and expected to get on with it. What happens? They stick together, its natural and this breeds contempt in native populations.

Britain has always had an open door, its always been a multicultural and welcoming nation. It seems today we

have a kind of self imposed segregation in place? This is where we need to look and find out why?


Lets face it we wouldn't have the problems if the government had not sold us out by:

* Screwing over the police force.
* Saddling us with bankers debts.
* Dismantling our energy & manufacturing industries.
* F**cking over the education system.
* Selling out our gold reserves
* Filling people heads with PC/Race card nonsense.
* Dragging us into dirty wars.

All of these things and more whilst lining their own filthy pockets at the expense of the little guy. Race has nothing to do with any of it. Its the poorer areas that are feeling the pinch first and regardless of whether any rioter can give you an excuse for their actions the root cause is that we have a dysfunctional society which has been brought about by corruption and greed.

There lies the problem, the riots are just the symptom, England needs a cure for its diseased political system.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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if more people voted for the bnp, at least we would know that someone is looking out for britain and british people. its obvious that the three main politcal parties are in cahoots. toffs in control of the labour party, corrupt union leaders. a press that destroys any sense fair play, cameron claiming britain only played a bit part in te second world war! i could go on and on. its obvious the three main political parties have not got britain or its peoples at the top of their priorities, just exactly where do their loyayties lie? not for britain that is a fact.




posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:05 AM
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Originally posted by Quyll
Can't we all just get along...


Obviously not. Just take a look around ATS, you will find your answers here to why we will never get along. Even for a community that describes itself as open minded and ignoring ignorance. The amount of hate and racism has never been so prevalent in my time. Which isn't that long I admit, but long enough to see a big change.

People hate each others political views, others sexual orientation, other generations, others race, others belief or lack of it, others countries.

Theres a lot of hate here. It's hard trying to block it out sometimes. No wonder people are rioting.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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The BNP are a party that is the only Party in the UK that concentrates on race. Another party once existed that was primarily concerned with race, called the NAZI's the party that Britain went to war and lost millions of men in the process. Many of those who lost their lives fighting for Britains survivalt were from the sub continent India and Pakistan and the west Indies. Black and Brown men sacrificing their lives for Britain ensuring it's survival and economic success. Now time are hard you want to get rid of them all.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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there is not enough anger. why did you try to insinuate that this thread has anything to do with hate? just what is your agender?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:19 AM
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so the people in the war died so less than 100 years later their childrens children would be a minority? if they new that they would have sided with the nazis, dont you think?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by allintoaccount
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there is not enough anger. why did you try to insinuate that this thread has anything to do with hate? just what is your agender?


You haven't been round this site long enough to see what I mean. There has been a massive increase in hate over the past few months, many emotive things happening in the world.

I have the same agenda as everyone else here to spout off my opinion when I want to. These are my views take them or leave them, it's no skin off my nose. Or are you going to accuse me of working for the government or as a disnfo agent, because it wouldn't be the first time.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by allintoaccount
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so the people in the war died so less than 100 years later their childrens children would be a minority? if they new that they would have sided with the nazis, dont you think?


85% of the population is white. That hardly makes us the minority.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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The BNP are a party that is the only Party in the UK that concentrates on race. Another party once existed that was primarily concerned with race, called the NAZI's the party that Britain went to war and lost millions of men in the process. Many of those who lost their lives fighting for Britains survivalt were from the sub continent India and Pakistan and the west Indies. Black and Brown men sacrificing their lives for Britain ensuring it's survival and economic success. Now time are hard you want to get rid of them all.


rid off them all? lol now i know your agender. ataching your whims, i hope the people see your underhand tactics. lets have ago at what you do. Why do you hate white british people?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by allintoaccount
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so the people in the war died so less than 100 years later their childrens children would be a minority? if they new that they would have sided with the nazis, dont you think?


85% of the population is white. That hardly makes us the minority.
wait to the baby boomers have died, and the 25% non white british school children start having kids, around 30 years. some cities like birmingham whites are already the minority.or by the way do you know what was the most popular boys name given to babies in 2009? thats right mohammed. i said less than 100 hears.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Britain can simply NOT have an open door on immigration.

It's not the immigrants fault either, they want a better life for themselves and their family, who wouldn't, the problem is...and yes, this is a reality... that the "indigenous" people (and by that I mean the people born and with national status in this country) are now 2nd class citizens with the immigrants getting free housing, free benefits, free healthcare ABOVE those British Nationals.

Someone who comes into the country has more rights and benefits than those who have lived here and paid taxes all their lives, how is that right?

What is wrong with standing up for common sense and the British National? It's nothing to do with race or colour but the unfair system promoting and benefitting those who have given nothing over those who have been bled dry by the ever increasing tax burden.




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