The author of this thread "BRITWARRIOR" is obviously going to get arrested as being just another side of the violence.
Violence to stop
violence only means more violence. Violence is violence no matter what side of the political fence it is coming in from. Vigilantism is not going to
be tolerated in the UK and is a form of terrorist activity.
I know that you might think this to be me just making some opportunistic propaganda, but is there a link between this kind of obviously mindless
violence and the WW2 blitz against London by the German NAZI movement ? Same no doubt drug or alcohol induced autistic psychopathic insanity ? From
what we can make of it all, it becomes clearer and clearer that the rioting morons are probably inspired by the same trotskyite anarchist
revolutionary crap going on in other countries. As far as I understand there is far too much crime in London. From the BBC news reportage it would
appear that on Thursday 4 August 2011 as the police in Tottenham intercepted a suspect, "Mark Duggan", on suspicion of possessing a fire arm, the
suspect resisted arrest by pulling out the gun with which he then shot the police, which then resulted in the suspect being shot to death by the
police. Gun and drugs crime in London. We must not fall into the trap of thinking that the associated riots in Tottenham and around about London are
anything whatsoever to do with any legitimate political struggle for social justice. Anyone possessing a fire arm or blade is no longer a civilian,
but becomes a militant combatant, terrorist, and as such are no longer protected by International Human Rights Law that protects only those who are
civilians. Anyone holding in their possession a fire arm or blade should immediately hand in their weapons to the police. Petrol Bombs are a
classification of fire arm. Rocks and stones although primative are none the less a weapon system. Thus these rioters are "enemy combatant" terrorist
activity and might end up being fired on by Her Majesty's Royal Army. The rule of Law and Order must not be defeated. I advise that the government
institute a nightime curfew. Anyone violating the curfew should be immediately shot dead ? That should put a stop to the idiotic youth who are
terrorising the City of London with their nightime crime activities.
The law that I live by and which is holding us all bonded is called PRAECEPTAE CAELENIUM
(tm). I did not read it in a book. You will not find
it in any book. It was revealed to me by audio clairvoyance during the celebrations of the New Millennium in 2000. Summed up it basically means no sex
and no drugs and no violence. (1) From eternity to eternity, infinity to infinity, there be the One Absolute. The One True God there be no other
God. Her names are many but she be the one true God. The one judge there be no other judge. (2) La Deus Nostra, Notre Dame, Our Lady, The Holy Spirit,
the cause the maker Cosmica. (3) Angelic [celestial immortal] powers of truth and beauty and righteousness be sure to be loving Her Holiness Above
with all your mind and with all your heart and with all your strength. (4) So as to be pleasing to Her Holiness Above therefore do not be serving the
masculine. (5) Do not be and do not allow masculinity into positions of government. (6) Honour and respect the virgin pureness of the christae. (7)
Honour and respect the Immaculate Conception [parthenogenesis] reproductive process of the christae. (8) Do not fornicate or adulterate or sodomize.
(9) Do not bully or torture or murder. (10) Do not lie. (11) Do not steal. (12) Do not be covetous. (13) Do not be jealous.
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He who trusts in violence to be his security cannot speak that he trusts in God to be his security.
There has been much speculation about who the rioters are. This is a snapshot of the suspected rioters who were due to appear at one London
magistrates' court in the course of one day.
As of 11 August, there have been more than 1,500 arrests across England and those who have been charged are being fast-tracked through the criminal
They are appearing at magistrates' court within hours and police are often only submitting a charge sheet for a case to be referred to court. Many of
the courts are sitting through the night to process the defendants.
A full statistical picture is not yet available.
The graphs above represent the 56 people listed to appear at Camberwell Green Magistrates' Court in south London on Tuesday 10 August on
Not all the offences are public disorder. Many have been charged with non-domestic burglary in the vicinity of disorder and the stores targeted
included Currys, Carphone Warehouse and H Samuel.
The defendants are broken down into gender, age, nature of the charge and location of the crime in relation to where they live. The crimes were all
committed on Monday 8 August and Tuesday 9 August.
The court was open for longer than usual between 9am and 7pm. Defendants not listed may have been seen and the police or legal teams may have chosen
to prioritise one case over another.
In addition to the fast-tracked riot defendants, the court also had to deal with the cases previously scheduled for that day.
Many theories have been posited about the underlying causes of the riots in England - from moral decay to excessive consumerism. Here two
criminologists give their views on some of the arguments.
Sir Max Hastings, in an article for the Daily Mail, focused on "a perverted social ethos, which elevates personal freedom to an absolute, and denies
the underclass the discipline - tough love - which alone might enable some of its members to escape from the swamp of dependency in which they
There is a culture of entitlement in the UK, says David Wilson, professor of criminology at Birmingham City University and a former prison
"But it's not just about the underclass - it's about politicians, it's about bankers, it's about footballers.
"It's not just about a particular class, it permeates all levels of society. When we see politicians claiming for flat-screen TVs and getting jailed
for fiddling their expenses, it's clear that young people of all classes aren't being given appropriate leadership."
Writing in the Independent, Kids Company charity founder Camila Batmanghelidjh blamed a society in which the "established community is perceived to
provide nothing... It's not one occasional attack on dignity, it's a repeated humiliation, being continuously dispossessed in a society rich with
Studies do suggest that living in areas of social deprivation could be a factor, says Marian FitzGerald, visiting professor of criminology at the
University of Kent.
"But the socially excluded are not always the ones who are rioting - in fact they are often the ones who are most vulnerable to riots. We need a
better thought-out approach rather than just using social exclusion as an excuse."
Lack of fathers
According to Cristina Odone of the Daily Telegraph, the riots could be traced back to a lack of male role models: "Like the overwhelming majority of
youth offenders behind bars, these gang members have one thing in common: no father at home."
"I brought up two boys on my own," says Prof FitzGerald. "Yes, there are some issues about where boys get a positive sense of masculinity from when
they don't have anyone in the home to give it. But if you have a stable family set-up then these kids can still be very high-achieving."
Speaking on the BBC's Newsnight, Labour's candidate for London Mayor, Ken Livingstone, suggested that austerity measures were responsible: "If you're
making massive cuts, there's always the potential for this sort of revolt against that."
It's too soon to say this, Prof FitzGerald says. "The full implementation of the cuts to local authority services that will have the biggest impact on
these areas will not be fully felt until next year.
"However, it may be that because there's been so much talk about police spending cuts, the rioters may have internalised the message that they're less
likely to be caught."
In a leader, the Sun newspaper said it was "crazy" that water cannon was not available to officers, and that parliament "must not be squeamish" about
the use of tear gas and baton rounds.
There has also been discussion about the impact of the fall-out from criticism of policing during the G20 protests in London in 2009. Some
commentators have suggested officers might be afraid of taking on the rioters directly for fear of legal action.
It may have made some difference if the rioters had been more immediately engaged with a more robust form of policing, says Prof Wilson.
"Several of the rioters who were interviewed clearly enjoyed the feeling of being powerful. They were encouraged to feel that the cities in which they
were misbehaving belonged to them.
"However, I don't think that has anything to do with political correctness. What has characterised British justice over the past 25-30 years is the
large numbers of young people we have sent to prison compared with our European neighbours."
Violence began in Tottenham on Saturday after the fatal shooting by police of Mark Duggan, a 29-year-old black man. Christina Patterson of the
Independent said the race factor could not be overlooked: "Too many black men have been killed by the police. Too many black men and women have been
treated like criminals when they're not. This is not the cause of these riots, but it's there in the mix."
Police shootings are very rare, Prof FitzGerald notes.
"According to IPCC reports in the last three years there have only been seven and all of those - including the shooting of Raoul Moat - were of white
"The Met police has seen huge changes in attitude since the Macpherson report. That said, its use of section 60 stop-and-search powers
disproportionately brought normally law-abiding young black people in particular into potentially confrontational encounters with the police.
"However, this is not true of many of the other police forces who are now facing similar threats to public order - so it cannot be used as any sort of
Gangsta rap and culture
Paul Routledge of the Daily Mirror blamed "the pernicious culture of hatred around rap music, which glorifies violence and loathing of authority
(especially the police but including parents), exalts trashy materialism and raves about drugs".
It's certainly clear that gang culture is a real phenomenon, says Prof Wilson.
"I once interviewed a boy who said 'just because I like the music doesn't mean I agree with the lyrics', which is true," says Prof FitzGerald. "But it
may be a factor when it comes to those who may be particularly susceptible."
"These are shopping riots, characterised by their consumer choices," insisted Zoe Williams of the Guardian. She added: "This is what happens when
people don't have anything, when they have their noses constantly rubbed in stuff they can't afford, and they have no reason ever to believe that they
will be able to afford it."
In studies of street crime, this has been shown to be a factor, says Prof FitzGerald.
"But with the recent riots, I'm not so sure - in the context of looting, it's about taking what you can. As well as mobile phones and clothes, there
were plenty stealing petty things like sweets and cans of beer."
"As more and more people became embroiled in the riots, others have been tempted to join them, confident that one unexceptional individual in a sea of
hundreds is unlikely to be caught or to face retribution," according to Carolina Bracken writing in the Irish Times.
This is credible, says Prof Wilson. "Opportunism, mixed with a sense of being in a big gang, will have enticed many who wouldn't necessarily do
something like this normally.
"Also significant is the feeling of invulnerability because they are part of something so big. Also linked to this is the feeling of doing something
transgressive and feeling powerful in a culture where they don't have much power.
Technology and social networking
"Social media and other methods have been used to organise these levels of greed and criminality," Steve Kavanagh, the deputy assistant commissioner
of the Metropolitan police, told reporters.
This is an under-explored phenomenon, suggests Prof Wilson.
"For years we've been aware of gangs and football hooligans have been using technology to get together and fight. I think the police have been quite
slow to respond to this.
"But as we know, mobile phones can also be used to counteract criminality and to an extent I think that's something the police prefer to downplay."
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