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I feel guilt anytime I see a mother with her children, like the one who cried hysterically and [color=limegreen]screamed that we were worse than Saddam as we forced her from her home.
The peace of a troubled world and the hopes of an oppressed people now depend on you
We were told we were fighting terrorists, but the real terrorist was me and the real terrorism is this occupation
Racism within the military has long been an important tool to justify the destruction and occupation of another country. It has long been used to justify the killing, subjugation, and torture of another people. Racism is a vital weapon employed by this government.
We come to iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization, and for the religious faiths they practice
Poor and working people in this country are sent to kill poor and working people in another country to make the rich richer, and without racism, soldiers would realize that they have more in common than the Iraqi people than they do with the billionaires who send us to war.
I will [color=limegreen]promise you this: that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the [color=limegreen]first thing I will do. I will get our troops home, we will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank!
A huge campaign promise, something that gained massive amounts of support from most American citizens, whether Democrat, Republican, black, white, asian, elderly, or student, was a BIG FAT LIE. He lied to us in order to get himself elected as President, and then he went 180 degrees on his promises and did the exact opposite. Rather than getting our troops out, he put more in.
President Obama has ordered 17,000 more American troops to Afghanistan. It's the first stage of a buildup that will eventually see 60,000 US troops deployed to the country
I saw and at times participated in the dehumanization and the degredation of the Iraqi people. By [color=limegreen]robbing others of their inherent dignity, by [color=limegreen]denying them respect, and by [color=limegreen]treating them as a less than human other, we ultimately robbed ourselves of our own dignity, humanity, and compassion.
We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization, and for the religious faiths they practice
I was ordered multiple times by commissioned officers and non-commissioned officers to shoot unarmed civilians if their presence made me feel uncomfortable.
Coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm
Every single apartment building in Baghdad has been broken to the ground by artillery and airplanes bombing. You cannot meet someone in Iraq that has not lost a family member. Could you image what we would have done in America if on 9/11 everybody in America lost a family member? What would we be doing? Would we be talking about war? No we'd be in the streets with weapons. And so people talk about "Oh these people killing American soldiers in Iraq, they're terrorists", they're not terrorists, they're wearing sandles! And they got an AK, and they've got 14 year old boys building bombs to kill these American soldiers 'cause we've killed their family
In this conflict, America faces an enemy that has no regard for conventions of war or rules for morality
Kicking in doors and taking families out of their homes, blowing up their homes with artillery and airstrikes, killing their family members, and treating them like second class citizens is unpatriotic and not noble.
Liberating 30 million people is patriotic, and noble.
That makes me feel much better knowing that American troops did some good over there and helped people out. You didn't have any troubling encounters like the troops in those videos? It was all smiles and handshakes? That sounds more like an Invasion of Iraq that I could support, actually helping people in need rather than killing them and taking their homes away.
I will be a bit candid and say I spent some time there, over a year. Seen all seasons, Baghdad, Fallujah, Ramadi and so on. In my unit, we frequently went on humanitarian missions and if I had a dollar for every pop tart muffin, bottled water, wave, hand shake that I've given to iraqi children and adults, I'd be a rich man. Oh by the way, the Iraqi populace welcomed us with open arms and smiles 95% of the time. Utilizing show of force may have played a part in that as well.
No, because those people didn't get us into a several year, multi-trillion dollar war in Iraq at taxpayer expense that had little support from the people who fund it.
Guess all these Democrats were unpatriotic also?
That's great to hear and it's good that many soldiers actually accomplished what they set out to do and stayed true.
Due to the thorough training we went through before our deployment, we were able to exercise restraint throughout the numerous missions we conducted there, and we always utilized what we call escalation of force in everything we did to avoid having to take a life. I was in a Cavalry unit and spent most of my time out in the field, and yes, there were times that we did have to occupy the homes of Iraqi families, but can tell you right now that not only did we do so in the most professional manner possible, we also compensated them financially when those situations arose. They got paid handsomely. Also, they seemed to have an understanding that we were doing so for good reason. I personally witnessed entire villages transform from ied ridden ghost towns to villages bustling with life. When my unit would occupy a region, it certainly stimulated the populace for the bettter, every time. Keep in mind we were a forward reconnaissance unit, and our leadership was never in the mindset where they were looking for an opportunity for a combat engagement. Quite the opposite. We were more concerned about establishing security of the region, and always worked directly with the populace to help bolster the infrastructure and quality of life of the AO we were in charge of. I take great pride in our acccomplishments during our stay in Iraq in OIF 5 (2007-2008).
Originally posted by kro32
Well to be fair to bush he was going on intelligence information and everyone involved in the decision also believed it. NATO and the democrats all agreed it was a legitimate threat and a good enough reason to go in. Obviously that information was false so you can debate on whether he was set up or part of it I suppose.
There is plenty to blame him for without having to make stuff up.
Originally posted by Carseller4
Liberating 30 million people is patriotic, and noble.
I don't hate Americans, I hate the wars that Americans are fighting and dying in and I hate that taxpayers have to pay for something that only a small fraction of them support.
Ya gotta try harder, surely you can come up with yet another "I hate Americans" thread and go for yet another star and flag fest. Grow up and make the change you keep bitching about or shut the hell up son.