Because The State Loves You

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Mismanagement is to blame.

The only decent management is educated self-management.

Being managed by others will always result in mis-management. They don't know you or your needs or your dreams. They will fail you.

Wouldn't you rather fail yourself than have others to blame?

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Show me a solution to Mises economic calculation problem and I'll convert to socialist anarchy immediately.

I'm not really concerned about that.

I'm not trying to prove socialism will work here, just trying to point out your definitions are wrong. You can make anything appear any way you want, if you keep misrepresenting what it actually is.

I'm not about to read your link, so if there is something in there that you think proves me wrong then point it out please. I could just simply call the guy a moron... See how that works?

I have provided you with numerous quotes from real sources, published books, that prove you wrong.

reply to post by mnemeth1


Were are cuts really needed friend?

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Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Were are cuts really needed friend?

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edit on 10-8-2011 by Donkey_Dean because: (no reason given)

If you cut the whole thing, that would save 100% of our money.

Then I could actually buy something, which would create a booming economy.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I would rather have a safety net! My father owned national powertain in Dallas texas for 30+ years. He got cancer, lost his medical coverage because of some missing info from a form filled out 20 years ago, and ended up on medicaid after losing everything. He lost everything an entire lifes work because he got sick. Without these fail safes he well could have died in the streets.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

I used to own a motel in Uereka Springs Ar. It was a seasonal affair at best and the property taxes were $13,000 per year. So just to own this property cost me $13,000 per year. If I did not pay my taxes my property would be seized and sold to the highest bidder.

Private Property is a joke friend! All property actually belongs to the state. All moneys belong to the state as well, and if they wanted they could devaulate and destroy your savings like it was nothing.

We should focus on quality of life for the masses not the illusion of owning land or moneys. In America money equals freedom and this is great, but many should not suffer so that a few can live high on the hog.

edit on 10-8-2011 by Donkey_Dean because: (no reason given)

Actually... Private people own the land and it is held in trust for them by their respective government. The power really does lie with the people, the government only enforces the rules on people because in all reality they have been hoodwinked into believing the land belongs to the state and they are renting it. This is wrong and really is at the heart of all the social and economical problems the world is facing. Its ignorance, ignorance of the law is no excuse, hear this before? The government is acting solely on implied contracts and bully tactics, it really is as simple as that. Because people do not fully understand what I have just typed above they fall into the government trap called "Authority".

The State doesn't exist, its a figment of our own imaginations, we only give it power because we believe it is powerful. Acquiescence is a very powerful thing when the people fail to understand how it works, the government knows this and they use it to their advantage.

In respect to property taxes lets run it down...

Law = Contracts. All law is based on contracts. This is just a simple fact, it cannot be disputed and it is the truth. I contract requires 3 things. An Offer, Consideration and Acceptance, Mutuality and Consideration, Competent Parties and a Lawful Objective. If even one of those are missing then the contract is unlawful and invalid.

It leads to questions;

What document or paperwork do people sign to legally hold them to the contract that is property taxes?
When was the meeting of the minds?
When was full disclosure discussed?
Among many others.

If you are lied to when you sign a contract that is fraud and you can make the case that mutual consideration and the meeting of the minds never took place.

All property taxes are meant to be paid by the government to the people in the form of property taxes. City hall must pay property taxes for the right to stand on the ground the people of that city own. Property Tax was meant to be the rent the people charge government to operate buildings/property on the private property held in trust for the people.

Instead our system through ignorance and collusion have turned that into a 180, now the people are forced to rent their own private property off the government in the form of property taxes.

Government is at best the executor of the Trust relationship and even if they have the best interest of the people at heart it still requires the consent of the Trust in order to take any action. By our acquiescence and lack of action government just kept steam rolling forward. Now look at the mess we are in.

I paid for my house with my signature, that's it. I have no payments or a mortgage.
I don't pay property taxes.
I don't pay a cent of income tax.
In Canada we have E.I. (Employment Insurance) I don't pay it, every year I ask for every cent I have had stolen returned to me. I get the cheque.

You just need to have the gall and the nuts to stand up for yourself and demand the fair treatment the law provides.

The law works, it really does. However the legal system is broken and corrupt.

My advice is to use the law and stay clear of anything called "legal".

Legal...

Lawful...

They are very different and one works for you and one doesn't. People must learn this.

-Lightrule

reply to post by Donkey_Dean


where are the most cuts needed?
65 million americans on social security
50 million americans on welfare

unfunded liabilites to the tune of 100 trillion dollars social security medicaid and medicare with no way to ever pay for them.

and those costs continue to go up as the populaton increases and healthcare costs also increase

www.usdebtclock.org...

why because the state loves you and you love violence to continue to put a gun to the heads of people for all that goodness and joy it would be more merciful to have a bomb dropped on them than a lifetime of enslavement.

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Show me a solution to Mises economic calculation problem and I'll convert to socialist anarchy immediately.

I'm not really concerned about that.

Well you know what? 99.9% of people who work for a living are concerned about the points Mises brings up.

If you want to ignore it, it only shows the complete lack of any rational logic behind your flawed economic musings.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I would rather have a safety net! My father owned national powertain in Dallas texas for 30+ years. He got cancer and lost his medical coverage and ended up on medicaid. He lost everything an entire lifes work because he got sick and yes he had the same insurance provider for 30+ years.

And if he wasn't giving away 50% or more of his money in federal tax, state tax, property tax, fines and fees, etc??

Wouldn't he have been able to afford that medical care he needed?

I just don't understand why people work their whole lives to end up broke. Can't you see where all that money went?

Not only was the money taken away and reallocated, but he now has to abide by the Medicaid policies and regulations as well, thus limiting his potential medical avenues significantly. It doesn't cover everything...

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

Were are cuts really needed friend?

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edit on 10-8-2011 by Donkey_Dean because: (no reason given)

Nice try, but discretionary spending excludes entitlement programs.

In 2010, discretionary spending only made up 38% of the total federal budget.

reply to post by neo96


Social Security is an entitlement! You must pay in to take out!

Originally posted by mnemeth1

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Show me a solution to Mises economic calculation problem and I'll convert to socialist anarchy immediately.

I'm not really concerned about that.

Well you know what? 99.9% of people who work for a living are concerned about the points Mises brings up.

If you want to ignore it, it only shows the complete lack of any rational logic behind your flawed economic musings.

Here is a good starter resource on the subject of the Economic calculation problem

It is a very in depth article and I highly suggest anyone interested to check the supporting links as well. A lot of information in there.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by neo96

 

Social Security is an entitlement! You must pay in to take out!

True if you are a citizen, not true if you are the government.

The government has spent all of the surplus funds in both the medicare and social security trusts.

The money is no longer there.

Hence where the term "unfunded liability" comes from - there's no money left to fund them.

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no its not it is the greatest scam ever created worthy of all those evil bankers.

you pay 6 % and then pass the buck off to your employer who matches it at another 6 % and then that gets passed off to the government who gets to decide who gets and who doesnt and then says bwhahhaa look at all that free cash lets spend some and they do and they have til it no longer exists and then say we need more people to hoodwink. and they rinse and repeat.

you pay 6% that does not come anyhere near the amount in benefits that one receives in their lifetimes and then here comes that other goodness and joy program called medicare theres that free healthcare no wait they automatically deduct a fee from that first government check.

the deal is other people pay who arent using those programs til the day they need to and the whole cycle repeats to infinity.

no cash left crap care and no thought of hey that might just be illegal hell they through maddoff in jail for ripping people off for what the government does on a daily basis.

and you love the state for it and the state loves you.

aint that great?

reply to post by mnemeth1

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

The moneys you invest in the fund are not unlike Treasury Bonds in that you get more back than put in. As I understand the fed will issue up to 9 times the amount held just the same as the banks do with their holdings.

Do you know how the government is currently paying its bond holders back?

It is printing money by having the Fed buy up the debt it issues.

Therefore you may get more money back than you put in, but it will still be worth less than the money you bought the bond for in the first place.

And no, your understanding of how medicare and social security work is wrong. The money has been spent. The funds are essentially bankrupt by any rational accounting standard. Of course, the government does not comply with accepted accounting standards.

What is the “state” and “government” ? How is it's existence? As far as I can see, when I look out of the window I see the mud, grass, trees and so on. State, government? It's in our heads? US is the nature? How is that even possible without us imagine it.

We have a lot of virtual stuff like borders to group us self up, governments to control our self and wastelands for the people that can't stand a chance to fight or run a war to get their own virtually “government system” that they all believe are the surroundings they see, else they just go along and get controlled by other humans.

Would earth stop working if we stopped sucking up the oil? money gone? Would it all just stop?
No other alternatives would work for our own “development”, impossible?

Whilst nature have been at work for past about 3.5-4.5billion years without us even being here..
I truly believe we can and will do make the change that will benefit all conscious beings on this earth. But when? It will happen someday..

The world map is mostly based on wars and control, right?. Then what if the world map were only based on the climate? the “borders” to the new lands would look something like this then: world climate map

and the climate really exists.

reply to post by mnemeth1


The dollar is backed solely by debt and Americas commitemnt to pay that debt.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

The dollar is backed solely by debt and Americas commitemnt to pay that debt.

Explain what "commitment to pay that debt" means in real terms.

Does that entail a State waging war against its own citizens?

Does it entail threats and coercion against property holders?

Does it entail violence, prisons, police, IRS agents, and private central banks?

reply to post by erutan


Very good post I like your train of thought.

I hope to see more posts from you in the future, you are thinking outside of the box.