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Originally posted by MollyStewart
Originally posted by Diyainoue
First of all, I am talking about these riots where civilians are attacking and damaging civilians that are in the same snip. They would have gained more respect if they brought it to Buckingham Palace on the first day (If anyone does I offer 20 pounds for a painting)
I understand that the damages need to be paid by, again, civilians. Maybe in taxes or a raise in insurance, you get what I mean. I don't like it, but ok, I will support my fellow civilians. I would appreciate it If they will support me if I would be a victim.
What about the punishments? I don't like the idea I have to pay for their punishments, either in jail or community services. I don't expect the ones participating in the riots financially capable of paying their debts. So what could be the best punishments. I had a discussion today about this and an intresting punishment came up.
It is not a good punishment, yes you punish them,but it would give lots of troubles too, pushing them in an illegal life, so we enforce differences again.
Here is the punishment:
According to their role in the riots, people get different durations of punishment, that will be an temporary tattoo on cheeks and forehead, hands (where-ever as long as you can't hide them) for a couple of months or years. The whole society can put them out of their shops, clubs, public transport, etc. Judge people on the color of their marks not their skin.
The problems that automatically follow is that some of them will proudly wear them as trophies, but they cannot hide it anymore. As you push them out of society, well I guess ATS is smart enough I don't need to explain the problems of that.
I am curious what the members of ATS think that could work as a fine and a little jail time will not be sufficient in my eyes.
edit on 9-8-2011 by Diyainoue because: (no reason given)
As most of these young people are out of work due to a sluggish economy and government mismanagement, why not have them work on infrastructure. Maintaining roads, planting trees, gardening council land and nature strips, working for charities , helping old people etc. Make it compulsory, just don't call it community service. Keeping them busy may stop them from rioting in the streets, damaging and looting their own communities. If these young guns really wanted to make a statement they could have started a riot out the front of no.10 instead of the local shop. Not too bright but they can text organize an instant army in a pinch!!
What punishment is sufficient for the ones acting in the riots in the UK?
Originally posted by eletheia
reply to post by shansen
You site 'hunger' as one of the reasons for the roiters?
Since when have plasma TV's, electronic gadgets, and alcohol assuaged the pangs of
And as for camera's on every corner.........well without SECURITY CAMERA's NONE of the
perpetrators would get caught! If you are an 'innocent' just going about your every day
business camera's of any sort shouldn't prove a problem they are there for your PROTECTION.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
If the householder is evicted then i agree, but still, i dont feel it does much good to make families homeless, looters need to be taught a lesson but this one seems a little ill thought out.
Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
And if you work FT, pay your tax and pay for your council housing then it should not be seen as a privilege, but a right. If you want people to work you do have to provide housing - Industrial revolution is proof of this.
Originally posted by shansen
As for the cameras, they were put in place to prevent such things, right? But they failed, as it seems.
Originally posted by shansen
they are also stealing clothes, sweets and food.
What you are saying sounds a lot like slavery to me. Does that make sense? Why take 5 steps forward to take 18 steps backwards? As country you need to redefine your class system and distribution of wealth... Just like here in the USA... This needs to be a world wide movement... We can achieve equality and a fair chance at the pursuit of happiness through non-violence "in most cases."
Originally posted by Sinny
I was there, In the middle of the riot, it was mainly youths trying to get their hands on goods.
The same youths that HAVE been NEGLECTED by the government and society.
As you can see - I live in Enfield which is only a few miles from Tottenham - and we had our share of this rioting. So allow me to make some points: - The drivers are as follows : -
We prohibit drugs - just as you do in the US. We therefore have a "war on drugs". We have therefore created a superb underground distribution system which makes profits of hundreds of millions of pound each year. The competing gangs are honed to perfection - they use young fit men on BMX (small) bikes to deliver the goods and communicate via the internet and Blackberry messaging (each gang member has two phones a Blackberry and an iPhone for backup). These gangs are geographically based and have up to 400 members.
Stabbing with a knife is used to cow the population and enforce discipline. The police - which have been highly politicised under our Marxist New Labour government - have completely failed to address the problem of these gangs. I know headmasters who will state that whilst they can impose discipline inside the school gates they cannot get the police to do anything outside the schools. So we get tens of stabbings of teenage children each year. So the gangs rule with impunity.
A known gang leader with a loaded gun was killed by an armed policeman (still rare in the UK) in a special unit last Thursday. His family tell us that "the police have a lot of questions to answer" and request that the rioting which started after they held a peaceful vigil outside the police station in Tottenham should not be done in their name.
These well trained gangs start rioting and looting in Tottenham (they were now combined against one common enemy - the police) and immediately discover that the police have absolutely no way of dealing with them - because the police have never engaged with them nor tried to shut them down. It was fascinating to watch the rioters on BMX bikes and on foot completely outwitting the plodding police (a derogatory name for a policeman is a "plod"). The rioters used their skills and capability to perfection.
Rioting and looting was so successful that everyone joined in and queued up (it could only happen in Britain) to loot sports shops, jewellers, shops selling alcohol etc. One woman was photographed trying on her loot for size until she got what she wanted.