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Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by whyamIhere
These very brave men do what they are told.

Yeah right. If they were BRAVE MEN as you say, they would not do what they are told, they would turn their guns against the scum giving the orders or just drop the weapons and go home.

Were german soldiers BRAVE MEN when they murdered tens of millions of defenseless civilians? No.

Brave men don't follow dictators, they follow their consciences.

Any soldier who knows what going on should quit right now, go home and train a militia.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
Blame the administration, don't blame the troops.


Why not? If one man instructs another man to kill a group of people would you waive the blame from the murderer because he was simply following instructions?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Does anyone her have the common sense to see that the lower ranking members of the military are slaves to the higher ranking officers and politicians? Your average us soldier is just a scared kid out of high school that had no idea what they were getting into, and don't forget they are brainwashed too. These kids are victims of the crooked us government! Common sense people!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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It is interesting to be judged for supporting the troops, even if you do so wisely and not blindly. Apparently it is nationalistic and nerpy (what ever that means), just for openers.

But for arguments sake, let us just say I blindly support the troops, no questions asked, the tree outside my house has a ginormous yellow ribbon around it and my friends are thinking of committing me because I hum John Philip Sousa marches all day.

There is no reason ever not to support our troops. It is how you do it. Even if you are anti-war, anti-standing armies, anti-military-industrial complex and are socialist through and through, it's not cricket. Most socialist countries do not see the need for the artillery and military manpower we Americans keep around and I can see some budgetary corners we could cut.

BUT, if you are a voting US citizen, you are running this country and you have sent our troops overseas along with a b*ttload of the rest of us. And if you use the excuse that "I did not vote for that or this..." WELL,having two faces does not count! Fine! Do what a responsible US citizen should do. Help the Anti-War vets against our involvement in the Middle East and get crackin'! Bring 'em home for heavens sake! Not supporting the troops is like hiring someone in your business and then sabotaging them when they try to make you money.

I am not a student of war. For some this is fascinating and I wish I knew one right about now. Here is the crux of the matter. Where does debate turn into cruel judgement, name calling and; the degrading of peoples choices, commitments and lives.

Turning the tables on our troops after they are in battle...hmmm..reminds me of Vietnam. They went in heroes and came out getting spit on, yelled at, ignored and despised. Not this time folks, not ever again.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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I salute the brave soldiers that fought and died for our freedom. Thank you American Revolutionary soldiers, you make us proud.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Ok do you believe there is ever a time for war? If yes then under what circumstances? I almost feel that people who think there should be no war are very naive or brain washed themselves. This is real life and we haven't even came close to the point of evolution where there will be no war. And what do you feel is wrong with the current conflicts going on in the world?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Your a fool.

This is why there is such resentment in the military , because folks like you.

Thats why we look down on Civilians because we some how let the few people like yourself , relate to all of the American people.



I wish a Mod would simply close this thread because if you havnt been in a firefight , you dont know what the hell your talking about on this subject.

Blame yourselfs , ITS UP TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE to the change the Government the troops take orders. IF YOU WANT IT CHANGED YOU CHANGE IT.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Maybe, just maybe they'll pull their heads out of their backsides long enough to take the time to look it up and find out that the Marine Corp is actually older than the US Government.




So what? Bottom line is that they're a force of evil in the contemporary and present world.

If you want to parade yourself around as an aficionado of that kind of culture then work away; just don't expect the rest of us to be so easily duped by the sad brain washed notions of murderers and cannon fodder. If the marines were half the heroes that folk regard them as, the Federal Reserve wouldn't exist. Taking your own advice, if you pulled your head out long enough, you might realize that.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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What about MY brother? SSG Chris Higden? He died for what?? Who speaks for him?


Thank you....



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Wars will cease ONLY when men stop fighting in them!
Everyone wants wars to cease, well, apart from blood thirsty savage beasts!

I have spoken to many young soldiers from the u.s and everyone i have spoken to has said they did not want to do it but they did it to get into college and for money otherwise they would starve or be on welfare.

So in really simple terms, The youth of America is being blackmailed by the u.s government to murder on a mass scale and steal and pillage land and resources or basically starve and rot!

That's correct is it not?
So why are there not MASSIVE petitions about this? Strikes Protests etc EVERY SINGLE DAY?

That should be a daily topic on news radio web until this savage blackmail is resolved.
Can it not get any clearer that your country you all claim to love so much is being ruled by psychopathic blood thirsty thieves?

Personally speaking i would rather starve to death than go around killing people but that's just me!

S&F OP

Also i believe that anyone who thinks that going around the world killing on a mass scale and stealing resources is going to make their country or people safer is quite frankly lacking functioning neurons and basic thought patterns!

Nearly every country in the world has enough tech and soldiers to place them all around the borders of their WHOLE country to protect their country and people incase of an attack! That is the ONLY justification for armed forces to exist imho! Everything else is outright murder and theft!


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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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Im at the point i think you are joking.....You seriously think the marine corp are a bunch of murderers? Ok is there ever a time to kill?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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You anti American cowards could look for a forum that deals with only that and give each other happy endings all day. Leave the nonsense at home, grow up, get out of mommies basement and enter the real world. Your pansy ass never been in the military president is the one you should be against and yet you choose to vilify those that give you the very freedoms you have.....don't fool yourself kids, it ain't the government. I'm sure your parents and grandparents would be proud of the idiocy you spout....not.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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Wow,.
this is something I have kept to myself for 30+ years..
I have felt the way the writer did about war in general..
I have never subscribed to the yellow ribbon for troop support.. it never made sense to me.
War is business.
Defending a country may be a legitimate purpose, but nothing about our generated reasons seemed
right,,hidden agendas have been on many minds..



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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And what if an another army invades your home country...who should protect you?

2nd...same as the first



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Let me hear an AMEN and HALLELUJAH from my brothers and sisters in the congregation! Many thanks to the OP for the show of courage, the removal of blinders, telling how the cow eats the cabbage etc.

The simple fact is: There has been NO American military action SINCE WW2 that has had absolutely ANYTHING to do with any AMERICAN'S freedom(s)!!!! The only "argument" to the contrary of that fact is based STRICTLY on emotion and rhetoric - NOTHING else. No logic, no facts. Yet of course the sheeple continue to bleat their jingoistic Orwellian mind control crap no differently than a Jonestown-style brainwashed cult. Religion doesn't apply solely to the traditional, literal definition of religion. Keep drinking that Kool Aid, sheeple (to whom it applies). Sad doesn't begin to describe it.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:51 PM
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Why do i get the feeling you only post crap like this because you want your flags and stars.
I would say that our brave men and women in the service doing their duty have way more integrity than you do.
But i see it has worked for you.
Hope you can live with yourself.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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I find this thread quite interesting because isn't the U.S a country that was basically created by soldiers and war? You owe yours and your childrens existence to troops.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by kro32

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by kro32
Well I will have to disagree with a couple of issues though perhaps not with your ideology. It is not possible to have an effective military who thinks for themselves or questions orders.


Effective at what? Killing?

The Nazis were incredibly effective at killing. And they didn't question orders either.

Thus, the problem.


Yes that is what I mean by effective. That is what war is about after all and you've kind of proved my point by referencing the Nazi's. You must follow orders to be effective and if you have people that are allowed to question orders and pick and choose what actions they want to take you will not have an army that is effective at killing.

This is what military's do and why they are created.

George Washington said it very well when his soldiers were deserting and the war looked like it would be lost. He said, "You can fight a war for independence but independence cannot win a war"


Maybe more guys trained to kill other guys with weapons isn't what we need right now?


Originally posted by jexmo
I find this thread quite interesting because isn't the U.S a country that was basically created by soldiers and war? You owe yours and your childrens existence to troops.


So we should always blindly follow whatever we are told?

Your logic falls apart right about the point where you stopped explaining it.


Originally posted by shtf2012
Why do i get the feeling you only post crap like this because you want your flags and stars.
I would say that our brave men and women in the service doing their duty have way more integrity than you do.
But i see it has worked for you.
Hope you can live with yourself.


Murdering countless innocent civilians and families isn't integrity.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Maybe, just maybe they'll pull their heads out of their backsides long enough to take the time to look it up and find out that the Marine Corp is actually older than the US Government.




So what? Bottom line is that their a force of evil in the contemporary and present world.

If you want to parade yourself around as an aficionado of that kind of culture then work away; just don't expect the rest of us to be so easily duped by the sad brain washed notions of murderers and cannon fodder. If the marines were half the heroes that folk regard them as, the Federal Reserve wouldn't exist. taking your own advice, If you pulled your head out long enough, you might realize that.



I'm sorry I don't worry about boogeymen and things that go bump in the night anymore, Well not since I was about five years old. Enjoy quivering in the dark.

Semper fi
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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Well even if you don't agree with every war, that doesn't mean all soldiers are sheep...I can't even believe im having this argument haha......



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