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Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:34 PM
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Bull#, I was defending a fellow Brit after a racist comment. Congrats ATS for deleting that post.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are breaking the law and wrong but if all the troops went on strike tomorrow because they didn't believe in the cause they were fighting for, Russia and China would be all over you like a rash.

What I don't think a lot of you understand is most of the troops only hear what we hear and weren't to believe that the government weren't telling the truth about their reasons for going to war.

You could always stp paying your taxes and by doing so stop supporting the war, but you won't do that will you? no? so you are a hypocrit and full of it.




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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I only agree to the titles thread. I do not agree to everything else anyone else has posted.

I agree to the title because it's the truth.



In a showing statistic, 70% of all the troops, including the Air Force, Army, Army Reserves, Navy, and Marines.

Those 70% feel they are fighting for oil. Which is why they feel the war's TPTB initiate are unjust, and straight out un needed.

The only reason we are in war with anyone in the middle east is because we provided billions of dollars in terms of recruiting those country's militias.


Did everyone forget the Taliban was put into place by the USA? We paid those groups to fight for us, now they are fighting verses us.

Simple as that.


Now we have to worry about the militant groups we have paid to fight for us in areas like Syria, Tripoli... Pretty much the whole entire middle east, from Africa down.

This is commen sense people.... You don't need a political background to see this!!!!!!!!
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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This video is so topical to this discussion. I know it is old...but that is the beauty of the message. Wait for the speach about 1 minute in.




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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To all who are here slobbering over each other in agreement with the author of this post....

There are evil men and women in this world that will only respond to force....period.

History has proven this over and over and over again.

Just because you wish to come to conclusions through non-violent means, does nothing to the heart of a dictator who's only wish is to rule with an iron fist, and cold heart.

So many times, those people who declare themselves to be "enlightened" to the ways of the world have so little experience in the world outside of America's boarders.

This is a dangerous world we live in, and while this nation has made many errors in the past, we still have held back numerous dictators and rulers from gaining dominance in our world.

War isn't fun, nor is it enjoyable, but it is necessary for lasting peace.

And for all those who will blast me with responses of "warmonger" and "baby killer", take a few moments to simply think logically about where we would be without a strong military of warriors who followed orders? In all wars innocents will indeed be lost in battles, but because of those battles other innocents will have a chance to live.

We were reluctant to enter into WW2, but because of our involvement, with strong military leadership and powerful forces, we today are....free.

I could go on and on with examples in history where our military was pivotal in the protections of freedoms, but so many here already know these examples.

The real debate here is one of the heart, the willingness of my fellow ATS'rs to reason with a sense of logic, not excuse everything our nation has done, but to recognize the sins of our government, retain a sense of appreciation of our country, and remind ourselves of the unique freedoms we enjoy that no other country provides in the world.

Then we must dedicate ourselves to work to make changes where changes need to be made by being involved in government, running for office...do something besides sitting at home, blogging and complaining.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by vermonster
But they're heros!!!



Sitting in armored humvees driving around in another sovereign nation hitting IEDs makes them heros

you didn't get the memo?



Nobody is claiming to be a Hero.

The only Hero in my life was my Dad. After he served his country he came home and raised us kids and busted his ass providing a home. He worked until the day he died. Never once complained nor asked for a damned thing.

Get over yourself and stop regurgitating what the "Popular in-crowd" wants to hear.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
If you point a gun a me during Civil Unrest? Id blow your brains out.

Thanks, that’s the answer I was anticipating. God forbid you might actually engage your mind and question why the unrest was occurring and whether or not it was just. Orders, point, shoot and kill. It makes things so much easier when you get to side-step having to think morally for yourself, doesn’t it?


Originally posted by milkyway12
Exactly my point , its not about being a Hero. its about statements like this. By the way ... its good no one cares .. it means we are doing our job. However , youll care soon enough if # hits the fan and im telling you , its probably going to hit the fan with china and i hope it does personally , of course i just dont give a # about a whole lot. However , youll be one of the many people to learn what it takes to advance on some one shooting at you , and i hope you have too.

What are you rambling about? You clearly already know I’m Irish meaning I’m on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean. How will a Chinese invasion of America result in me learning “what it takes to advance” on an offensive combatant?


Originally posted by milkyway12
Yeah im unwilling to exert energy , because until you stand up and change the people giving the orders then you must approve of it. So we follow them.

That’s an exceptionally weak cop-out. You claim to have no interest in chastising those whose orders your follow but you seem quite content on chastising civilians. Like I said, it’s clear what side of history you’re on. You’re a turncoat to your own people.


Originally posted by milkyway12
NWO? Just shows how blind you are to the military.

Why? How? Is an explanation too much to expect?

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:42 PM
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Here ya go folks...the protocols have answers to just about everything you can think of that's going on today in our world..........
misclassified.cz.cc...
protocol #7


In a word, to sum up our system of keeping the governments of the goyim in Europe in check, we shall show our strength to one of them by terrorist attempts and to all, if we allow the possibility of a general rising against us, we shall respond with the guns of America or China or Japan



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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I think you and others should be a bit more constructive in your replies. Lashing out and using words like "rat bastard communist liberals" doesn't do anything to try to show any of us why you are right and we are wrong. No where in yours or others posts that are similar have I seen you try to explain how it is that that the current mission of the military is to protect our freedom. That what they are doing now protects our freedoms.

Calling us ungrateful, ignorant liberals only serves to promote the EXACT SAME division that you just accused us all of falling prey to. Asking us to blindly agree with you without any specific reasons as to why we should, is doing exactly what you condemned...you are asking us to be sheeple toward your point of view instead of another. Well, I don't "bah, bah, bah," and if someone wants to change my mind about something, yelling at me, calling me names, and not giving me good reason ain't gonna work. (I know you weren't yelling at me specifically but you were to those with my point of view in general so I took it as an invitation to reply)



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:43 PM
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wcitizen i too agree with this unpopular view of the american military. patriotism is a dangerous manipulative control that is used by leaders around the world. it pains me that young men and women voluntarily sign on to a form of slavery that may have them injuring or killing someone, or that happening to them.

some young people that join up do so because they come from areas that are so poverty stricken they feel they have little or no opportunity elsewhere. shame on our government and our corporations for allowing/making areas of the usa that depressed.

some young people join up because they honestly feel they are somehow going to help, to make a difference. i have talked to way too many veterans young and old over the years. they are quite often not welcome and not wanted in foreign lands. many times they wind up performing duties they would never imagine they would be told to do. this is a damn shame, when the ugly truths come out.

some people join the military because they have already screwed up their lives so badly they don't care if they live or die. drunken sex leading to unexpected, unwanted pregnancy and/or marriage to someone they don't want to be with and their life becomes hell. damn shame we don't teach our children more well about birth control in america.

and there are some people that join the military because of twisted macho personalities. they can't wait to use weapons on targets, stationary or moving, inanimate or living. there are those that have bloodlust wants and the military is a great place to do things one would not be able to do ordinarily in life.

i'm ashamed of how much death, destruction, pain and suffering america is responsible for. and millions of people that want nothing to do with war are made to pay for it. it's sick and twisted. it's easy to understand why the bulk of the planet hates americans.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by SirClem
One friend of mine, Marine vet, (not ex-Marine, no such thing),


...my former SO was a vietnam vet and he called himself an "ex-marine"... his closest / oldest friends served in vietnam with him and they called themselves "ex-marine" too... in their opinion, "once a marine, always a marine" was just another part of basic conditioning...


Originally posted by SirClem
It is time that parents educate their children, don't let them grow up to be corporate soldiers.


...theres really not much difference between being a military soldier and being a corporate soldier working for banking or wallstreet moguls but lotsa parents want their kids to grow up and be a banker or wallstreet genius...


Originally posted by SirClem
blaming the soldier is perhaps counter productive.


...perception is often a very odd thang, huh?...



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by vermonster
But they're heros!!!



Sitting in armored humvees driving around in another sovereign nation hitting IEDs makes them heros

you didn't get the memo?



Nobody is claiming to be a Hero.

The only Hero in my life was my Dad. After he served his country he came home and raised us kids and busted his ass providing a home. He worked until the day he died. Never once complained nor asked for a damned thing.

Get over yourself and stop regurgitating what the "Popular in-crowd" wants to hear.
Well put Slayer, ya gotta remember though, to alot of these guys Ayers and his ilk are hero's. Ya can't argue with idiots, you have to stoop to their level and they'll beat you with experience every time.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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O ok , your Irish. Explains everything. You must preach peace because you cant defend yourselfs against a hostile Nation. Youd be depending on the UK / US.

im through speaking to you as i have been riled up , and your military / country has no authority.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Obama seems to think that anyone killed in battle is a hero...

www.thirdage.com...


President Barack Obama, in his speech at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day, called for the nation to honor its fallen heroes, The Huffington Post reports. "Our nation owes a debt to its fallen heroes that we can never fully repay, but we can honor their sacrifice. And we must," Obama said.

Meanwhile, U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan paused briefly to remember fallen soldiers during Memorial Day services. Some troops prayed while others raised flags. The services recognized the more than 1,400 troops killed in combat in Afghanistan since the war began there nearly a decade ago.



We've been chasing the boogieman OBL and Co in this farce of a war, have killed 100's of thousands, and lost over 1000 soldiers for a decade now?!?!

Somebody pinch me, or get me a waste basked...i'm either having a bizzaro dream, or am going to...

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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I'm replying to my own post because it has the most logic associated. Oh and Commonsense.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Are all tenured ATS members this facetious?



I'm sorry I don't meet your holier than thou standards.


Anyway, back to more important things.
It's happy hour and I'm off.....


PEACE
Slay



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69


Nobody is claiming to be a Hero.

The only Hero in my life was my Dad. After he served his country he came home and raised us kids and busted his ass providing a home. He worked until the day he died. Never once complained nor asked for a damned thing.

Get over yourself and stop regurgitating what the "Popular in-crowd" wants to hear.


Why don't you get over your Dad's service and stop trying to emotionally implicate this thread with your own irrelevant familial issues? It's hardly academic. Again, follow your own advice in not regurgitating the motifs of post-war warhorses so ubiquitous to Hollywood. It's called social conditioning.

Can you answer my prior question?


Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Maybe, just maybe they'll pull their heads out of their backsides long enough to take the time to look it up and find out that the Marine Corp is actually older than the US Government.




So what? Bottom line is that their a force of evil in the contemporary and present world.

If you want to parade yourself around as an aficionado of that kind of culture then work away; just don't expect the rest of us to be so easily duped by the sad brain washed notions of murderers and cannon fodder. If the marines were half the heroes that folk regard them as, the Federal Reserve wouldn't exist. taking your own advice, If you pulled your head out long enough, you might realize that.



I'm sorry I don't worry about boogeymen and things that go bump in the night anymore, Well not since I was about five years old. Enjoy quivering in the dark.

Semper fi


Where did I mention "boogeymen" or "things that go bump in the dark?"

Are all tenured ATS members this facetious?



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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by hammanderr
We are a civilian led military. Everything we do we do at the behest of the US government(civilians). If you feel that we are not currently fighting for your freedoms I am okay with that but believe me, we will when the time comes. I have seen up close the people who consider themselves the enemy of this country and you will want us on your side when the enemy does arrive at your door step. All of your anti-war, peace loving stuff won't protect you from the real killers out there, your military will.


that's alright i'll fight myself, cause if they've made it to my doorstep you have'nt done your job anyway.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:52 PM
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We are not free. There IS a cabal running the show from behind the scenes and ruling our rulers. Soldiers are the brainwashed nuts and bolts of a huge killing machine being driven by old rich white guys.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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I see your point but i cant help but feel that most solders are just unwitting pawns being abused more then we are.
military training involves some pretty intense brain washing as does police training (I have friends and family in both military and police)
However some manage to overcome this and if you get enough personal one on one time with them you may learn that they feel pretty powerless to rectify problems that were not apparent to them when they joined.
The guys of higher rank (more internally political levels) may not be the same and these are the ones who can pull off a coup.
You need to truly understand the command chain structure to fully understand this.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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These very brave men do what they are told.

I always thought being brave was doing what you felt was right..even in the face of opposition...not "doing what you're told"



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