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Our Troops do NOT Protect Our Freedom and We Should Stop Thanking Them for Doing So

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by liejunkie01
Another American bashing thread?

Do you guys ever quit?

Sitting in front of the computer spewing ignorance


I have many family and friends that either served or is currently serving...



So what?




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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You should thank them for TRYING to protect our freedom.

Though I agree with you that our current wars aren't really protecting freedom, the members are still risking their life thinking they are.

If someone incorrectly thought I was drowning and risked their life trying to save me, it still would be honorable thing to do on their part.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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So, you look down on "civilians"? That'll make it easier to make targets out of them when the dissent really kicks off, right?


I like how you left out the rest of that statement i made. If you point a gun a me during Civil Unrest? Id blow your brains out.





Bla, bla, bla. Big god-damn hero. I hear the John Rambo theme playing in the distant background. No one cares. The only reason you want this thread closed is because the consensus of truth is unsettling for you. Accept it.


Exactly my point , its not about being a Hero. its about statements like this. By the way ... its good no one cares .. it means we are doing our job. However , youll care soon enough if # hits the fan and im telling you , its probably going to hit the fan with china and i hope it does personally , of course i just dont give a # about a whole lot. However , youll be one of the many people to learn what it takes to advance on some one shooting at you , and i hope you have too.




Let's get this straight - you're unwilling to exert energy on faulting those you blindly follow instructions from but you've taken the time to verbally attack civilians online. You've even physically threatened another ATS member.



Yeah im unwilling to exert energy , because until you stand up and change the people giving the orders then you must approve of it. So we follow them. If you dont like it , do something about it , not my job.



It's time to look in the mirror, buddy. Ask yourself what side of history are you on. You're beginning to sound like a NWO goon based on your contempt for the general civilian.


NWO? Just shows how blind you are to the military.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by eagleeye2
A few americans needs to understand that there's not a single country in the world where their 'people in general' likes the USA foreign policies, you probly don't care but its maybe the problem.

A good way to understand the situation is by taking for example Jersey Shore, they all think they are the real deal while in reality 'people in general' laugh about them. In reality Ronny or Snooky are just having issue with their self esteem, they know inside they are loosers but the cameras compensate for their lack of.

Those comment are not necessarily aimed at usa ATS users since we are not ' people in general'.


You have made a very good point here, theres not alot i like about usa foreign policies at the min or have been for a long time & that goes for a few other countries also. If anyone would care to enlighten me to anything positve about the usa foreign polices, im all ears.

Im not american so i think im classed as 'people in general'.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by rexusdiablos

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Maybe, just maybe they'll pull their heads out of their backsides long enough to take the time to look it up and find out that the Marine Corp is actually older than the US Government.




So what? Bottom line is that their a force of evil in the contemporary and present world.

If you want to parade yourself around as an aficionado of that kind of culture then work away; just don't expect the rest of us to be so easily duped by the sad brain washed notions of murderers and cannon fodder. If the marines were half the heroes that folk regard them as, the Federal Reserve wouldn't exist. taking your own advice, If you pulled your head out long enough, you might realize that.



I'm sorry I don't worry about boogeymen and things that go bump in the night anymore, Well not since I was about five years old. Enjoy quivering in the dark.

Semper fi


Where did I mention "boogeymen" or "things that go bump in the dark?"

Are all tenured ATS members this facetious? extra DIV



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by Common Scarecrow
I will begin by saying all overseas American military bases should be closed down and ALL personnel brought home to actually protect our country at the borders, airports, and sea ports. THEN I could say they are actually protecting me. I don't live in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Libya.

When I was a teenager there was the draft for Vietnam to worry about. To this day I don't know why ANYONE in their right mind would voluntarily join the military with the threat of being shipped overseas to die in some foreign desert for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. It makes me sick when I see the parents and loved ones of a soldier, who are left behind, crying and trying to convince themselves that the death was so noble and worth it. They are all just trying to rationalize it so they can accept the absurdity of it. I am absolutely 100% sure they would rather have their loved one back with them.

Sometimes I think the government purposely wants a high unemployment rate so that many people feel their only chance for a job is joining the military.

Unfortunately I think most people not only in the military, but in any career area like local police, the FBI, the TSA, rent-a-cop security officers, do it for the rush of the instant authority it brings them. Instead of "serving" the taxpayers like their job is supposed to be, they get off on ordering people around and having people fear them when they pull up on their tail in a police car. They feel a need to feel superior to others.

They are brainwashed into "following the book" and are easily manipulated by their superiors.

I think they would fire on fellow Americans in a minute.




Strategically and logistically, closing down all military bases overseas is a horrible idea. I do agree we have too many and our hand in too much of other peoples problems but there are benefits to this as well.

Recruiters are known to target poorer areas....so what? It is still their choice...and people learn great job skills who otherwise may not have had that opprotunity.

And there are very few who get a rush from authority....soldiers dont have authority usually...in my 4 years Ive rarely worked with civilians, and as a cop I can say there are probably about 20% who take their authority a bit too serious....still...thats 1 out of 5 that is a pain.....the other 80% could care less about authority....

And as for following the book....there are so many situations in the military and police world where there is nothing written in the book on...and all we have is critical thinking and common sense....during these situations most of us succeed without issue....however that small percent goes and messes it up and then its posted on youtube or whatever...(as it should be)....and everyone shouts we are all corrupt! Come on man...its not like that at all.

Tell ya what....go do a ride along with a cop in your town....especially on a friday or saturday night....



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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This is incredible. I hope you are the first out there when the next war starts because the troops certainly shouldn't be defending some of you.

If you don't think there is going to be another war then you are deluded and incredibly ignorant.
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Originally posted by kro32
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Well the problem is that we've tried this before and it didn't have good results. We left the Nazi's alone and didn't interfere and we eventually had to fight them anyways at a far greater cost than if we had intervened earlier. Same thing with Vietnam. The french could have knocked the VC back had we supplied them with more aid as they were asking for but we decided it wasn't any of our business so left them out there then went in later anyways.

Sometimes trying to prevent a problem is easier than trying to cure it later.



you need desperately to listen to this man....you got your facts a bit skewed....so does alot of people because they don't know about this......

This is the real reason why we went to war in ww1 and ww2


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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:19 PM
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Wow speechless totally speechless at the majority of replies I have read in just the first page alone!! Here we have proof that the sheep's ignorance knows no bounds! Well I don't know where to begin or where to even start addressing such blatant nonsense so here we go...

1. From a recently retired Navy Chief Petty Officer here (June 2009) with 20+ years active service and am now partial VA disabled due to injury sustained Kandahar, Afghanistan 2001 KNOW that MOST servicemen and women when being thanked for their SERVICE TO THEIR COUNTRY (NOT for going out and "protecting Americans....LAME ASS Americans from the tone of this thread apparently), we take that more as meaning...or at least I along with more than a few with whom I served with, as we are being thanked for the many that had come before us and paid the ultimate sacrifice in service of the country. You know like those POS that died by the thousands in some crappy ass foxhole protecting citizens they didn't even know...that weren't even American to begin with in a place they really didn't want to be like Normandy, France. I never ONCE accepted thanks for myself or anything I did as I did my job....no hero here....nope I accepted thanks for the REAL HEROES, those that never made it back and those that served before me.

2. As far as the comment "Yea they would no sooner turn a gun on their fellow Americans now blah blah blah" well I tell you what....continue to allow TPTB's "divide and conquer" tactics to go to work on you and keep on blasting troops that you haven't a freaking clue as to how they feel about you and/or their country and you just might fulfill that little self-fulfilling prophecy. I can only then assure you that a good number might very well no mind plugging some rat bastage communist liberal that played their part in ensuring that our country ended up with the fate that we have now!

3. And speaking of liberals...how about each and every freaking one of you that are talking out of your anuses go look into the mirror!! Because guess what Einsteins?!?! The troops being LOYAL to their freaking country FOLLOW ORDERS and guess who they follow orders from geniuses?!?! Yea that's right....THE VERY SAME PERSON THAT YOU PUT IN CHARGE!!!

Yea lets all now go and attack the military!! I feel like I just went back in time to the Saleem Witchhunt or some crap! I am ashamed at a few of you because I NEVER would have suspected EVER seeing some of the comments that have been made by those that I thought had a little more intelligence. Not spending another ounce of energy on this circle jerk here. Definitely some sad sad times....may God help us all from here on out



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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You hear Rambo? I am no longer in the military. However I support all the troops if they didn't do what they do you would be the first bi#%h a$$ we would here crying for help as you run and hide scared and begging so stfu already.

Should we be in the sand box, no,
Do I respect those that are, have and will, bet your boots

You sir are an ungrateful piece and if you don't like it go take your butt somewhere else or shut up and keep your anti-American rants to yourself,



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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:24 PM
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i have to agree with you. IMO, it is a soldier's responsibility to obey ALL commands. If soldiers are allowed to decide which commands are taken, the army would be useless in battle.

to in regards to the OP, I think what he is stating is that the American soldiers that are currently at war is not defending the countries freedom, in fact they are not really fighting for the country, they are actually just fighting for the government. I hope that made sense. They are basically invaders, in other words, not really defending anything. Also their goal is not to defend freedom, but for the interests of the few.

I personally don't blame the soldiers, they are doing nothing wrong. Soldiers are born to obey, and under no circumstances should that be changed. Soldiers are just doing their part, whether they need to be thanked is another question.

but those that should be blamed is the government that sent them there in the first place.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by Newbomb Turk
3. And speaking of liberals...how about each and every freaking one of you that are talking out of your anuses go look into the mirror!! Because guess what Einsteins?!?! The troops being LOYAL to their freaking country FOLLOW ORDERS and guess who they follow orders from geniuses?!?! Yea that's right....THE VERY SAME PERSON THAT YOU PUT IN CHARGE!!!


Do you realize that when you vote, you both consciously and unconsciously give away your power. You symbolically and literally hand over your power to someone else. Personally, I do not have enough trust in any of the politicians to give my power to them.

We have power! It is so easy to play the blame game. "Well I voted for them...now they are a piece of #e because they aren't doing what I want them to do." Well boo hoo....your a victim. Take back your own power!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Here are some rebuttals to common arguments as to why soldiers are patriotic Americans as opposed to mindless killing machines

-They protect our freedoms because it is their sacrifice that makes this country free.

rebuttal: The country is not free as America has the largest prison population of any country. The only soldiers that made this country free were the Revolutionary soldiers.

-America has to retaliate for what happened on 9/11

Rebuttal: If that were the case the military would imprison and torture Bush and Cheney instead of making Bush and Cheney billions of dollars through oil contracts and aggressive wars.

-If we pull out now, the terrorists win.

Rebuttal: We are the terrorists, and we are losing by being in foreign countries, so there is really nothing more to say but that it is more honorable to admit the mistake and change while you still can as opposed to pretending that things aren't falling apart as you continue to drive off a cliff.

-We spread democracy

Rebuttal: We spread democracy in the form of bombs, in that we remember to subjugate all races equally in our war mongering.

-It's a peace mission

Rebuttal: Peace as in 'bombing civilians' for globalist control over the world.

-You're just anti-American spewing hatred and ignorance if you oppose the wars

Rebuttal: The only people who are anti-American are those who wage war in the name of freedom and liberty.

-There are no wars only kinetic military action

Rebuttal: That is specious and dangerous reasoning, if you believe that you must also believe that 9/11 was not an act of war but a peaceful kinetic military action to spread democracy all over the streets of New York City. And believing that would make you a terrorist.

-You don't understand the complexity of military thought

Rebuttal: A child can understand it: "MINE! ALL MINE!"



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:30 PM
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These men and women are braver than you are you goddamn hippie, never hate the soldiers hate the politicians who make the decisions.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Great OP, and please don’t apologize for telling a great truth.

Years ago I talked my friend’s son out of going to Iraq to fight Saddam, by telling the young man he was a dam fool, and that he was risking his life and possibly murdering others just say Cheney and his ilk can have a bigger golf course.

I lost a friend but saved his life



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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i have always thought this and was too afraid to say it. Now I will without remorse. Our troops are worthy of honor, imo, because in their own minds, they are doing something noble. Something in which they believe and they are willing to put their lives on the line for it. Military men and women who are willing to leave their families and homeland behind to do something they see as sacrificial cannot be condemned nor villified.

What I cannot agree with is the notion that they are somehow single-handedly responsible for the freedom I have. How can it be that they are "fighting for my freedom" if I am losing freedom and the only reason I have some left is because the government hasn't found a way to con the people into giving them up? How can a person in the military be responsible for the freedoms I have LEFT but not for the ones I have lost?

How does supposedly freeing people in other countries save me? Saddam wasn't trying to conquer America. Neither was Osama. Osama simply wanted to punish us and Saddam just wouldn't get with the program. Once he stopped being our puppet, we punished him. Gaddafi did not have plans to try to invade or conquer America. Don't get me started on Vietnam. WWII may be a different story. I would be willing to relinquish that one, with some debate.

For those who want to suggest that our troops are protecting us from losing our freedom because of the perceived "Muslim takeover" of western civilization, I would simply laugh. It is not even in the realm of belief that Muslims will ever be able to have such an influence on ANY western country to the point where we are all suddenly living under theocratic rule and Sharia Law. if you believe that, then I would have to ask for a specific explanation of how it is entirely possible that America may one day be an Islamic state.

As the OP states, if our troops were protecting our freedoms, we wouldn't have lost any to our own government. This is not a personal affront to any member of the military. The character of someone willing to sacrifice themselves for countrymen, is extremely virtuous. As i said, i have much respect for our military men and women. But they are pawns in a game now. They weren't always, but they are now.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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I agree to an extent, but I still favor those who die for our country, even if the cause isn't just!!



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