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Ron and Rand Paul say downgrade is fault of Washington, not Tea Party

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi
It is the fault of the tea party and the ignorant S&P downgraded the US. The tea party really doesnt care to much for the country, just their own benefit and political power.
The Pauls are also crazy tea partiers. The stances these two hold are so insane there is a reason that they are the basis of jokes.


Thank you for the perfect example of spouting the main stream media opinions with no facts or logic whatsoever. You do need to re-read your notes you forgot to add in racism.




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:01 PM
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Oh sorry, I forgot some people here cant handle the truth. How about I subscribe to "conspiracies r us" news site. Maybe then Ill be better informed.
The truth is, is that the tea party is hurting the country and they only care about beating obama which is really sad. These "patriots" didnt care when bush has president but know its a huge problem. Hypocrisy at its best.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi
It is the fault of the tea party and the ignorant S&P downgraded the US. The tea party really doesnt care to much for the country, just their own benefit and political power.
The Pauls are also crazy tea partiers. The stances these two hold are so insane there is a reason that they are the basis of jokes.

See that's why i'm kinda against being against one-liners
because sometimes 4 lines can say a whole buncha nothing while a one liner can get straight to the point

Do you have an argument to make?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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If you wish to talk about the truth, then there is one truth you must accept from the start.

S&P told the US government in APRIL (April 18,2011) that if they did not have a credible plan to alleveate the deficit (not even the debt, just the deficit) by August they would be downgraded.

This is all documented. S&P even publishes it in their reports.

NOBODY, Democrat or Rebulican, listened! They figured S&P was bluffing. They were wrong.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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I agree, your bunch of lines made no sense so congratulations on saying nothing?
However the Tea party is still at fault for hurting this country.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by gorgi
However the Tea party is still at fault for hurting this country.

300 Economists disagree with you and Obama
www.newdeal20.org...

The bailouts and the wars are the problem, the federal reserve is the problem

It's time to start thinking again

You never offer any detail in every one of your posts
I'm sorry but you barely even have an opinion



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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Did he vote to raise the debt ceiling or get to a compromise early or not. If the practice on both sides of the house was to go further into debt to suddenly try and change the direction of what is the equvalent of a supertanker seems dumb especially when S & P told everyone about the downgrading over two months ago. If you made small government the mainplank of the next elections I would understand but to cause problems NOW with the economy in tatters as it has been since 2008 is beyond idiocy.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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you got a star from me. I am disgusted that grown men revel in weasling out of their god given responsibility. We might as well blame the tooth fairy for the ills of the country because no politician is responsible for anything!

I am furious!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Raising the debt ceiling was irrelevant.

Please people, read the actual reports!

All S&P wanted was a CREDIBLE PLAN for reducing the deficit. The deficit, not even the debt, just the deficit.

They first mentioned this as an issue a couple of years ago (just after the recession started if memory serves).

They don't actually care about the absolute borrowing limit. They want to know how you are going to get into a position of prosperity so that it can be paid down. That's it. Why do you think everything is about projected CASHFLOW, not assests and liabilities?

They even gave ample time for it to be sorted out. First, at the recession start, again in April, and finally, again in July. If the US gov had taken it seriously in April, they would have had ample time to figure this out. But, noo one in Congress, or the Administration, thought that S&P would have the...balls...to actually downgrade the US of A. They thought wrong.

Edit- meant to hit post, but hit reply...damn you slow computer!!!
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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So my attempt at sarcasm failed.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by usernameconspiracy
Oh, well if Ron and Rand, the Peter and Paul of ATS, said it, then I guess it's correct. Look, it's the fault of every single Congressman in office. It's the liberals, the conservatives, and the tea party, who failed. Moderate America (the deciders of elections) was watching. We went from extreme liberal agendas to extreme conservative agendas, and we don't want extreme anything. A move towards the middle is where real prgress will be made.


I agree 100%. Both corporate controlled parties are to blame, past and present.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by gorgi
However the Tea party is still at fault for hurting this country.

300 Economists disagree with you and Obama
www.newdeal20.org...

The bailouts and the wars are the problem, the federal reserve is the problem

It's time to start thinking again

You never offer any detail in every one of your posts
I'm sorry but you barely even have an opinion


That link has nothing to do with this topic so I am not sure why you posted that.
The bailouts and the Fed are not the problem. It seems that you do not comprehend what the fed does or what the bailouts were trying to accomplish. The fact that you do not understand or are misinformed is not a reason to deny everything when corrected.

The bail outs actually saved the country from a depression and the fed has been doing a good job under Bernanke in keeping the country afloat. I know your idol Ron Paul hates him and the Fed but you should still do your own research and not blindly follow him.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 01:27 AM
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You know, there was a time where I thought Ron Paul was kinda like Ralph Nader. That his heart was in the right place, just that he was off-kilter here and there in a few crucial points.

I'm growing to realize that the man is just plain stupid. As stupid as the Idiot Cultists that lick the dirt he walks on? Maybe not quite that bad, but still pretty damn dumb.

We were told why our rating was downgraded, by the people who downgraded it.

More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned when we assigned a negative outlook to the rating on April 18, 2011.


Basically stated, it's because a certain collection of politicians held up a routine event, and by their actions threatened to basically throw the United States - and the rest of the world - into true economic chaos... to make themselves feel good. Among their number were Ron Paul and li'l Randy, acolyte of the Aqua Buddha. see, these are two of the.. what is it, eighty-odd? - politicians elected on the "tea party" platform.

So the problem is in Washington Mr. Paul, because rat# insane people like you and your tea party demagogues are in Washington.
edit on 10/8/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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Have you ever entertained the idea that, perhaps, raising the debt ceiling shouldn't be a 'routine event'? It's amazing that people are so outraged at the downgrade: Can you imagine, the sheer nerve of the S&P questioning our ability to work together???
But people who are outraged by this perceived slight are missing the point entirely. The way that America handles its debt is NOT sustainable. If an everyday joe carried on like this we'd be put in jail. This government has become too big to fail but we can only cook the books for so long.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 12:23 PM
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By the way, are Ronny and Randy senile? Do they understand that when they say that it was the fault of Washington, not the Tea Party, that they are a part of Washington? By default, they have to understand that if it was Washington's fault, they, as Congressmen, are complicate in said blame?



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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S&P was given faulty info from the White House in the hours leading up
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Nice find! Of course the admin gave S&P the wrong information, because their goal is to ruin the US and it's standing in the world. Obama has been going around blaming the US for all the world's problems and apologizing for us and doing all sorts of destructive things. It's deliberate, not an accident. It is also part of the larger UN/NWO Totalitarian agenda for world domination.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 01:29 PM
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You know, there was a time where I thought Ron Paul was kinda like Ralph Nader



Sorry, Ralph Nader is a Socialist left leaning kinda guy and Ron Paul is really a conservative Libertarian. Big difference.

From WND By Jane Chastain www.wnd.com...



On June 25, in Denver, Colo., Ralph Nader accepted the presidential nomination of the Green Party. Mr. Nader and his friends may have wrapped themselves in an environmental blanket, but when the covers come off, the appropriate color for their agenda is red, not green.
Mr. Nader urges those who wish to build a "just society" to follow him. He speaks of something called a "deep democracy" to facilitate "people's best efforts to achieve social justice, a sustainable and bountiful environment and an end to systemic bigotry and discrimination against law abiding people merely because they are different."

Read more: Ralph Nader: More red than green www.wnd.com...




But like Obama and his crew, while they are publicly spewing leftist, socialist, Marxist rhetoric, they privately use the market to prop up themselves.


Nader's enemies are all the greedy corporations that pay little or notaxes. However, it should be noted that Mr. Nader's powerful organizations pay no taxes either and have built up impressive net worths. In 1980, Public Citizen, Inc., in only its eighth year of existence, bought an old FBI building for $1.25 million in cash.
In June, after years of stonewalling about his wealth, Nader filed a 21-page report with the Federal Elections Commission, which revealed he is worth at least $3.8 million and is heavily invested in the stockmarket. His $1.2 million in Cisco Systems, Inc., and five other tech stocks raised more than a few eyebrows after he helped lead the charge to break up Microsoft.

Read more: Ralph Nader: More red than green www.wnd.com...

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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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...However the Tea party is still at fault for hurting this country....



Gorgi, It is people like you who lap up the drivel and propaganda put out by the bankster owned MSM who are responsible for the trouble this country is in.

It is people like you, So blinded by hate for anyone who might have a little more that is responsible for the mess we are in.

The banksters throw a pittance at you, a pittance they STOLE from your BROTHERS and buy your "Loyalty" and votes for their puppets.






posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by crimvelvet
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...However the Tea party is still at fault for hurting this country....



Gorgi, It is people like you who lap up the drivel and propaganda put out by the bankster owned MSM who are responsible for the trouble this country is in.

It is people like you, So blinded by hate for anyone who might have a little more that is responsible for the mess we are in.

The banksters throw a pittance at you, a pittance they STOLE from your BROTHERS and buy your "Loyalty" and votes for their puppets.


That made me laugh.

You are the one blinded by hate. Your whole rant about banksters and the msm. It seems like you are the one who bought the propaganda that the world is owned by the banksters and all the zeitgeist stuff. Very sad.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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You are the one blinded by hate. Your whole rant about banksters and the msm. It seems like you are the one who bought the propaganda that the world is owned by the banksters and all the zeitgeist stuff. Very sad.



And you never even bother to go directly to the website of the publication and LOOK at WHO is on the board of directors and WHO they used to work for.

Heck I have been at the place at the time when the supposed news "event"occurred and watched the national news SHOW FILM FOOTAGE of events that NEVER occurred!

I have seen a media storm blow up out of nowhere and sweep the nation for MONTHS because the new boy on the block ticked off the old establishment. They BURIED him and he just about went bankrupt, closing five plants in my state alone.

I have seen reporters who tried to report the news get fired because they ticked of ADM and Monsanto. I know of a great story pulled by the OWNER, not the editor of a New York Magazine as it was going to press. A story that would have blown the USDA corruption wide open and yes I do know the guy who is the center of the story and we have discussed the issue.



The Congressional record shows JP Morgen bought the influential newspapers in 1917.

More recently another announcement was made they are one of the big media players. www.newsandtech.com...

How about this???
For example MSNBC...

NOTE: GE as the world's second largest company after JPMorgan Chase

Comcast Corporation (Nasdaq: CMCSA; CMCSK) and General Electric (NYSE: GE) yesterday closed their transaction to create a joint venture...

The new company is 51 percent owned by Comcast, 49 percent owned by GE,...

J.P. Morgan was lead financial advisor to GE with Goldman Sachs and Citi acting as co-advisors....
blog.comcast.com...




Or Huffington Post????

On the board of directors we have a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a former Director of CIT Group Inc and a former partner at Plainfield Asset Management, who "manages investment capital for high net worth individuals based in the United States and abroad."




The chairman is also Chairmen of The Advertising Council Inc. who just won a $"2,049,078 federal contract from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's Federal Emergency Management Agency for ready campaign support services."

So we find connections to CFR, Bankers,"High net worth individuals" and Homeland Security. Such wonderful LIBERAL groups.


References:
corp.aol.com...
investing.businessweek.com...:US (used links to access more info)



I really really hope you are young and like the idiot Russian intelligentsia, you live long enough to intimately regret the horrors you are helping to unleash on your fellow men.
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