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Ron and Rand Paul say downgrade is fault of Washington, not Tea Party

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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"This attempt to scapegoat folks who recognize that our debt is out of control and that we must change course should not be tolerated," he said in a Monday statement. "They are simply demanding that Washington do its job."

He continued: "We were downgraded because of years of reckless spending, not because concerned Americans demanded we get our finances in order. The Washington establishment has spent us into near default and now a downgrade, and here they are again trying to escape responsibility for their negligence in handling the economy."

"Blaming the Tea Party for America's debt crisis and downgrade is like blaming the fireman for fires," he said in a statement. "The Tea Party has been fighting for a serious solution that would rescue our finances through immediate spending cuts, spending caps and most importantly, a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution."

www.cbsnews.com...

Common sense, how little there is these days

It's amazing to see right before my eyes people blaming those who stick to the issues as the ones causing this entire mess.
I just don't get it, are we facing a zombie apocalypse?

How could people make the conscious choice to NOT THINK?
It's beyond me





posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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"You Cannot Have Growth If You Are Trying To Build It On A Stash Of Debt" - Ron Paul
that's from the above video

It's that simple, so when people attack the Tea Party I wish they would give arguments that attack their well... arguments.

But they don't, it's all group character assassination
And people fall for it



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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The "TEA Party Downgrade" Democrat talking point is not taking hold.

The average voter is much smarter today. FOX News, and alternate media, like ATS, are doing a great job giving people alternative views. This would not have been the case just 25 years ago.

Never forget that the TEA Party pushed for Cut, Cap, and Balance. Democrats crushed this plan, but if it passed there would have been no downgrade, and would have put us on the right track.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Bravo, bravo, surely a fifth grader could realize that the outsourcing of America-NAFTA, then THE WAR ON TERROR, that was passed by Congress longggg before the tea-party was formed was the root cause of this ruckus that the American people are in and not this group of individuals that have had enough war, hate, outsourcing, and idiocy, from their countries government.



Enough said: So simply put in laymans terms that a caveman could understand. Go Paul's....



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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I find it highly suspicious blame is cast on the Tea Party.

Aside from that being near ludicrous, the fact of the matter is no one is really
talking up the real truth of the matter, which is that there was faulty info given from
The Obama Administration to the S&P.

S&P was given faulty info from the White House in the hours leading up
to the downgrade.



While congressional offices were busy studying the report, an official from the rating firm Standard & Poor's quietly called to ask for details of the underlying projections.

Four days later, based in part on that discussion, the rating firm announced a decision to downgrade America's debt—an unprecedented event in U.S. history—a move that is as controversial as it is potentially damaging to financial markets.

The information S&P gathered that day led it to overestimate future deficits by $2 trillion, a fact the Obama administration has called a reckless mistake. That phone call wasn't the reason S&P cut America's debt rating. But it was part of a chain of events, including also a stock-market plunge and an emergency Oval Office meeting, which could have serious and lasting consequences for America's standing in the world, the Obama presidency and the reputation of S&P. online.wsj.com...


Its like someone wanted this to happen, and it wasnt the Tea Party.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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It looks like this blame is actually back-fireing and I think the Tea Party will come out of this looking very good, almost as the victim of baseless attacks.

Which they are in my opinion.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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its always popular to blame the folks who try drastic solutions to solve massive problems. no one wants to see the money in their pocket become useless. BUT you cant deny that the FIAT currency that is in our pockets is inherently useless ANYWAYS. you cant blame anyone but the people who created and distributed this FAKE MONEY. people who know the truth about how our money is created/lent to us, knows that this system is and has always been a ticking time bomb. BUY GOLD. BUY SILVER. GET OUT OF FIAT CURRENCY, it does have an expiration date.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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That's all nice but the S&P have announced that it was the republicans fault.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=12020246#pid12020246




Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario now assumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.

Read more: www.businessinsider.com...

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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I have a question (a bit off topic but this IS a conspiracy forum, afterall).

At about 1:55 or so the woman says 'not even as we approach the August 2nd deadline...' I thought this video was from an interview that took place yesterday (the 8th of August).
Was it just it just a drunk teleprompter writer or something nefarious?

/tinfoil hat
edit on 9-8-2011 by relpobre000 because: engrish, i speak it



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Oh, well if Ron and Rand, the Peter and Paul of ATS, said it, then I guess it's correct. Look, it's the fault of every single Congressman in office. It's the liberals, the conservatives, and the tea party, who failed. Moderate America (the deciders of elections) was watching. We went from extreme liberal agendas to extreme conservative agendas, and we don't want extreme anything. A move towards the middle is where real prgress will be made.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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The republicans love it when it is the Tea party taking the blame because they can hide behind that while they make the same mistakes the democrats are making and get away unscathed. The only real fiscal conservatives are in the Tea party, to allow them to look good at all would mean that dems and reps would have to be responsible for their actions for once.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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I just don't get it, are we facing a zombie apocalypse?

How could people make the conscious choice to NOT THINK?
It's beyond me


The answer is simple, Americans have been trained not to think. That is what "Political Correctness" is all about.


Dumbing Down America
by Dr. Samuel Blumenfeld

I am often asked to name those educators responsible for the change in primary reading instruction which has led to the decline of literacy in America.... the dumbing down process that has been going on in our public schools for the past forty years, they recognize that all of this is not the result of a series of accidents but of conscious, deliberate decisions made by our educational leaders.

After twenty-five years of research, I can state with complete confidence that the prime mover in all of the is was none other than John Dewey who is usually characterized as the father of progressive education.....

Dewey's philosophy had evolved from Hegelian idealism to socialist materialism, and the purpose of the school was to show how education could be changed to produce little socialists and collectivists instead of little capitalists and individualists. It was expected that these little socialists, when they became voting adults, would dutifully change the American economic system into a socialist one.

In order to do so he analyzed the traditional curriculum that sustained the capitalist, individualistic system and found what he believed was the sustaining linchpin -- that is, the key element that held the entire system together: high literacy.

To Dewey, the greatest obstacle to socialism was the private mind that seeks knowledge in order to exercise its own private judgment and intellectual authority. High literacy gave the individual the means to seek knowledge independently. It gave individuals the means to stand on their own two feet and think for themselves. This was detrimental to the "social spirit" needed to bring about a collectivist society.

www.ordination.org...


So it was deliberate and we are now seeing the results.



We have an unemployment rate of between 10 and 22% depending on who you wish to believe and Microsoft says we have NO ONE in the USA QUALIFIED to fill their positions!


Microsoft Asks Congress for Immigration Reform for Highly-Skilled Immigrants



Microsoft is the latest in a long line of companies, individuals, employment-based immigration attorneys and interest groups asking for immigration reform. On Tuesday, July 26th, Microsoft's general counsel, Brad Smith, testified before the United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees and Border Security. His message was simple: companies looking for highly-skilled employees continue to have trouble finding top talent to fill jobs, even in this economy.

In a report to the subcommittee, he wrote that it took Microsoft an average of 65 days to fill some of its vital technology positions because the skill simply was not available. "We need to be able to attract - and have adequate access to - skilled workers from abroad," he wrote.

Part of his conversation centered around the fact that the American workforce must be enhanced through better education in "the fields that our economy needs." www.brown-immigration.com...



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Because a credit score even matters when the country habitually spends more than it brings in and despite half a dozen wars it could end and massive sections of the budget it could have cut from, their best idea was to take more from an already hurting public.

The bill they did pass was a paltry attempt at making it look like everyone in Washington is still in controll of their senses and the fact that there is still a new blame game thread everyday is proof that ATS has it's collective head up it's ass just as much as the rest of the world.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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If libs and conservatives do not start talking to each other and decide how WE (not the politicians) are going to fix this mess, it is not going to get fixed.

The Elite/Banker/Corporate Cartel want a one world government. From a business point of view it makes a lot of sense. They want to get rid of national borders.

They also want to get rid of the masses having any say in governance. That is what "Global Governance" is all about.

The elite are pragmatists. They tried Communism in the USSR and now they are "grafting" "Capitalism" (Their word) onto communist China. see ATS post (Letter from Chen)

It would seem from this article that they have decided they like the European Union Model the best. It makes the masses think they have some control while leaving all the decisions in the hands of an unelected Oligarcy.

This article appeared in The Global Journal Of What Use is Global Governance? written by Pascal Lamy, Director, World Trade Organization (WTO) He speaks of the European Union as sort of the intermediate stage.

...the very incarnation of an international organization of integration in which Member States have agreed to relinquish sovereignty in order to strengthen the coherence and effectiveness of their actions.

...If there is one place on earth where new forms of global governance have been tested since the Second World War, it is in Europe. European integration is the most ambitious supranational governance experience ever undertaken. It is the story of interdependence desired, defined, and organized by the Member States. In no respect is the work complete—neither geographically nor in terms of depth (i.e., the powers conferred by the Member States to the E.U.), nor, obviously, in terms of identity....

Our challenge today is to establish a system of global governance that provides a better balance between leadership, effectiveness, and legitimacy on the one hand, and coherence on the other...


And lastly there is "Global Governance 2025" by by US & EU Intelligence Agencies courtesy of Freedom of Information Act, at cia.gov.


The Atlantic Council has a summary HERE

This report analyzes the gap between current international governance institutions, organizations and norms and the demands for global governance likely to be posed by long-term strategic challenges over the next 15 years. The report is the product of research and analysis by the NIC and EUISS following a series of international dialogues co-organized by the Atlantic Council, TPN, and other partner organizations in Beijing, Tokyo, Dubai, New Delhi, Pretoria, Sao Paulo & Brasilia, Moscow, and Paris. ....



They are herding us more and more quickly towards their goal.

'Global Governance 2025′ by US & EU Intelligence Agencies

The National Intelligence Council's 2025 Project



Global Governance 2025: at a critical juncture

Global governance – the collective management of common problems at the international level – is at a critical juncture. Although global governance institutions have racked up many successes since they were developed after the Second World War, the growing number of issues on the international agenda, and their complexity, is outpacing the ability of international organisations and national governments to cope....

Three effects of rapid globalisation are driving demands for more effective global governance....



The shift to a multipolar world is complicating the prospects for effective global governance over the next 10 years. The expanding economic clout of emerging powers increases their political influence well beyond their borders. Power is not only shifting from established powers to rising countries and, to some extent, the developing world, but also towards non-state actors. Diverse perspectives on and suspicions about global governance, which is seen as a Western concept, will add to the difficulties of effectively mastering the growing number of challenges.


Problem, Reaction, Solution



First the government/elite create the problem, ... then offer the solution to the problems they have created. A solution always worse for people and better for THEM, and the gullible nitwits fall for it every single time...

So today we have the "privilege" of watching the demise of the USA and other nations as sovereign nations as the elite continue their drive towards one world government. The United Nations. The European Union, the World Trade Organization and the current financial crises are all steps along the way.

Just before the formation of the World Trade Organization in 1995:
David Rockefeller speaking on Sept. 23, 1994 said "This present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for too long — We are on the verge of a global transformation."

And right on schedule we have the start of the USA's Crash and burn as jobs are exported and foreign debt is piled up (negative numbers are BAD)




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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It really saddens me that Ron Paul associates himself with the tea party. Even though I know many of his ideas were taken by them, I believe as a whole they do not represent what he is about. They are walking time bombs which is obviously to anyone with two eyes.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:52 PM
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2 pauls make a right and i dont mean the republicans.

the downgrade is the fault of washington and not the littlest kid in the room.

"deflection : what you do when you want to get out of trouble so you can do the same things all over agian"


for a group that is suppose to be the most educated group of people who ever lived well they sure are stupid.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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So now Ron and Rand finally decide to come out and admit the real problem is with Washington mismanaging our national economy. All this time the news media and the Democrats have been saying this; these two finally realize it how late in the game? Seriously Ron and Rand, the least you could have done is said something before, warned us that if we continue to spend, tax, and go to war carelessly like we do that this would happen. It took Washington and the news media to finally convince you, sad right?

Oh wait…



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
"You Cannot Have Growth If You Are Trying To Build It On A Stash Of Debt" - Ron Paul
that's from the above video

It's that simple, so when people attack the Tea Party I wish they would give arguments that attack their well... arguments.

But they don't, it's all group character assassination
And people fall for it


I call that propaganda parroting. They spew out these slogans without having a remote understanding of the issues or what they are talking about.

It belongs to Ra Ra Ra, Jingo Jingo Jingo land as ingrained by the MSM. Sadly, it works on signiificant numbers of non-thinking, knee-jerking members of society, the parasites know this and they count on people not making the effort to get informed but simply being whipped up into a frenzy through jingoism.


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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
So now Ron and Rand finally decide to come out and admit the real problem is with Washington mismanaging our national economy. All this time the news media and the Democrats have been saying this; these two finally realize it how late in the game? Seriously Ron and Rand, the least you could have done is said something before, warned us that if we continue to spend, tax, and go to war carelessly like we do that this would happen. It took Washington and the news media to finally convince you, sad right?

Oh wait…


He's been saying it for months and months and he said it to anyone who would listen in the run up to the debt debate.......it seems you weren't one of those prepared to listen....until it was confirmed by the MSM.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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It is the fault of the tea party and the ignorant S&P downgraded the US. The tea party really doesnt care to much for the country, just their own benefit and political power.
The Pauls are also crazy tea partiers. The stances these two hold are so insane there is a reason that they are the basis of jokes.



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