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Are the London Riots a False Flag?

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by kro32
My response was legitimate also.

Somebody could be out for a walk and notice a leaf fall from a tree and come on here and post that chemtrails are having a biological effect on plants causing the leaves to fall in unnatural patters and that there are loud noises being heard causing them to fall far earlier than they ever have in the past.



Your response was merely a slur against conspiracists, it added nothing and was off topic.

Given that you have such disdain for conspiracists, what on earth are you doing on ATS?




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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It's a genuine question, and I am leaning towards one scenario. What's wrong with that?


The fact that you have no evidence and that you’re helping to perpetuate needless paranoia.

A bunch of hooligans are burning down people’s homes and businesses and you are trying to deflect blame away from them.

If you haven’t already made your mind up then I look forward to your thread next week saying that it wasn’t a false flag. I doubt we’ll see it though.

What would it take to convince you that this isn’t a false flag?

Also, taking your children to the police because they've been causing criminal damage and looting is not "divide and conqure" it is making your child take responsibility for their actions. The fact that you call it divide and conqure speaks volumes.

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Yes. This time it's different. Let's not even raise the question


Get some real evidence first and then raise the question, until then it is indeed unhelpful, idle speculation.


Sorry but I’m just sick of the automatic thought process that occurs here; anything that happens is always a false flag, 9/11 = false flag, Libya = false flag, Norway = false flag, Japan earthquake = false flag, London riots = false flag, a fart in the bath = false flag.

It’s nothing but contrarianism passing itself off as critical thinking.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
Only reason the Prime Minister would recall Parliament is to gain emergency powers; likely he *might* declare a state of emergency tonight. Reports of police preparing plastic bullets; been informed, from a close source, that the army have told troops to-and I quote-"prepare plastic bullets and gas canisters"


Sounds like the predictable solution is on its way.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by Mike_A
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Yes. This time it's different. Let's not even raise the question


Get some real evidence first and then raise the question, until then it is indeed unhelpful, idle speculation.


Sorry but I’m just sick of the automatic thought process that occurs here; anything that happens is always a false flag, 9/11 = false flag, Libya = false flag, Norway = false flag, Japan earthquake = false flag, London riots = false flag, a fart in the bath = false flag.

It’s nothing but contrarianism passing itself off as critical thinking.


Yes, let's just keep our head in the sands and avoid asking any questions (in case you missed it and like good slaves, let's continue watching the soaps until the MSM tell us the government has confessed it was a false flag, and then it will be ok to talk about it.

Until then, say nothing, do nothing, ask no questions and obey.




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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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JUst to report that the use of Plastic Bullets has been authorized this evening !!

So if there are any scum sucker looters on here, reading this........come get some !!!!!



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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This isn't a false flag and there is no-one co-ordinating these riots.

These things seem to develop a momentum all of their own and with things like mobile phones and social networking sites I'm certain they are a lot easier to instigate and manage.

Within five minutes of hearing about the Tottenham riot I was talking to people who were there and I live over 220miles from London.

I do think that maybe the police are exploiting the situation for maximum effect to emphasise the possible consequences of the proposed cuts to the police force.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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You said yourself that you have no proof.

This isn't about keeping your head in the sand it's about being objective; you are not.

What would it take to convince you that this is just a series of riots?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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I think it could certainly prove an effective means of swaying mass opinion. The pictures are fairly unsettling even for those miles away from the disturbances. And if these events are allowed to carry on for another week or so, while it's being reported that police are simply not equipped, or permitted to effectively deal with it, tough new measures and laws might well be welcomed by many.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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I wonder what repressive laws will be drafted in the wake of these riots that will affect lawful demonstration, protest and gathering.

Definately not a false-flag but probably exploited to the maximum by TPTB to further their own agenda and increase their control.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by Mike_A
Get some real evidence first and then raise the question, until then it is indeed unhelpful, idle speculation.


The evidence is in numerous other instances of police forces using agents provocateur. It's prevalent enough to assume it to be standard practice. Now the question is raised, and those involved or watching can look for the evidence that may be at hand. it's a case of raising awareness of the practice so others can be alert for it just in case.

Is it, for real and certain? I have no idea. Just pointing out it's happened plenty often enough in the past, and there's no real reason to assume this is some vastly different situation.


Sorry but I’m just sick of the automatic thought process that occurs here; anything that happens is always a false flag, 9/11 = false flag, Libya = false flag, Norway = false flag, Japan earthquake = false flag, London riots = false flag, a fart in the bath = false flag.

It’s nothing but contrarianism passing itself off as critical thinking.


Depends on how you're reading "false flag." I tend to agree with your stance, honestly. "Oh, 'THEY' sent a blonde christian guy to murder lots of kids, to make us look bad / distract us / further some agenda!" is silly, and actually rather damn offensive, sure.

It's a very different scale than asking aloud if some of these windows are getting smashed by plainclothes cops.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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If only our police were armed over here in the UK. I could see these riots as the perfect opportunity to lower unemployment figures.


But with regards to it being a false flag? Pfftt, I just think its a bunch of ignorant, selfish, bored youths displaying their lack of morals; whilst taking advantage of the feeble law enforcement this country has.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 07:59 AM
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Sometimes people just get pissed off when a police office shoots someone?

Maybe thats why. There isnt always a conspiracy.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:02 AM
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While uprisings of this caliber seem to be the norm in Europe these days, I definitely have to wonder about who/what is triggering these events via anonymous social media sites. The end result will always be greater security, surveillance, curfews, restrictions etc.

In the US we have a flash mob problem that has been slowly escalating throughout the summer. Now, cities like Philadelphia, who have experienced violent flash mobs, have 9pm curfews on minors in the City Center.

CHAOS is the goal of the Saul Alinsky followers!! and now they have the simple tools to implement it from their basements.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:13 AM
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The evidence is in numerous other instances of police forces using agents provocateur.


That’s no evidence at all; there are plenty of instances of police and other groups doing all kinds of things but that doesn’t mean any one case can be said to be an example of that behaviour. If you’re going to suggest that these riots are false flags then you need to bring evidence that pertains to these riots not just a general suspicion.

Out of interest exactly how many cases of the police using agent provocateurs to incite crowd violence have actually been proven in the UK in recent years?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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The Miners Strike and Wapping spring to mind.....they didn't need agent provocateurs at The Battle Of The Beanfield they just beat the crap out of defenceless women and children for no other reason than they could.

Personally I doubt agent provocateurs were involved here, but they have been in the past and wouln't be that surprised if when all is eventually revealed I was proven wrong.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
I think it could certainly prove an effective means of swaying mass opinion. The pictures are fairly unsettling even for those miles away from the disturbances. And if these events are allowed to carry on for another week or so, while it's being reported that police are simply not equipped, or permitted to effectively deal with it, tough new measures and laws might well be welcomed by many.


Some people are already screaming out for the military to get involved.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:34 AM
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Some quotes:



Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991


Same tactic.



"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other." Myron Fagan




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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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I wouldn’t say incidents that happened 24+ years ago occurred “in recent years”.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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People like me who lived through them would disagree.



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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This is a live report from ATSer Sinny at:www.abovetopsecret.com...

The police are certainly acting "WEIRD" which lends itself to the false flag label.



I've just got back from Birmingham city centre.

Had to walk 5 miles because they completely stopped all traffic in and out, at around 10pm.

I just quickly checked the news, and they seem to be playing it down alot.

I first arrived at around 9.30 pm, and almost a soon as I got there, there were about 250 people randomly tearing through the one high street.

The police took their time making any kind of approach, and then just formed an orderly line at the one end holding their position. They pretty much allowed everyone to raid what ever they wanted and let them disapitate them selves.



At first I though that was a good tactic because within the short time it took to loot everything, the street would clear.

However, the looters just carried on to the next hight street and continued. Again the police were rather slow in responce and barely looked imposing.



Any way that pattern continued for a least a few hours, with the looters systematically taking each road.

I noticed the police though, there were slowly trying to box everyone in the centre of town, they were approaching from all positions, but this wasnt obvious to many it seems.

Any way, I left eventually when it had all died down, they managed to pretty much secure the town centre, with a just a few odd gangs around who werent interested in looting.

On my journey home though I witnessed a few small shops being robbed, presumably by the same looters.

The police tactics worked in the end, but they could have done it faster!! They barely moved to stop anyone doing anything....which I find strange. The responce to each place that had been robbed was probably on average 25 minutes. Is that strange?



By the way I would just like to say I did not encounter any violence, and I was amoung people that you might "expect" it from.

All everyone wanted was loot.

And I am kind of sorry to say, yes the majority of "rioters" were young black men.

Had to say it because I heard certain black friends telling everyone else not to be racist, when everyone had just merely described the main purpertrators.

So there you



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