Americans. Please.

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Obama may have won a popular-vote majority but he did'nt win a majority of white votes. Last I checked, McCain won the majority white vote by a 12 point margin. Obama got 53% of the broad electorate and only 43% of the white electorate whose ages were a vast majority of between 18 and 30 years of age.

The Caucasian population stands at 72.4%. I would take it all the way to the bank that the tide will turn in 2012 and a vast majority of Caucasians WILL make their vote count for the first time in history and will be out in full force to see to it Obama is gone.

Unless the Republicans can come up with a mighty big player, whats already on the table as it stands today, I can only see Ron Paul as a decent possibility.

If the USA had compulsary voting....no black leader would had made to the top job.

Obama was never legally eligible to be president in the first place, so realistically hes an enemy of this country and should be dealt with as such
and so should all his supporters

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I could agree with you if I thought that Obama, Bush or Clinton, etc... were actually working to make a better country for the people of the country.

This Ra Ra BS makes me want to puke. Hitler was freely elected ( I am not comparing Obama to Hitler) by your logic all the Germans were justified in supporting Hitler because he was freely elected and any German who didn't support Hitler should be shunned....

Like I said, this makes me want to puke. A fundamental aspect of being american is the notion that it is necessary to have dispute with popular opinion. Without that dispute we would have no freedom. Tyranny of the majority is probably the greatest challenge to our free, constitutional republic; government structure.


I support all of my fellow Americans, I would not want to see any of them harmed BUT that doesn't mean I will go along with any of their stupid ideas I don't agree with. That is something that makes me American, where the rights of an individual are paramount to even the federal government.

I agree with your message of "togetherness" but that doesn't mean anyone should just fall in line and Go along to get along.

ETA: I find it crazy that people turn to the government to fix our problems. The government CAN'T fix the problems, it is not equipped to do so. The constitution restricts them from attempting except in a very few certain instances. this is for good reason. PEOPLE can fix the problems. Problems never get solved because we keep turning to the Gov for solutions and they only create more problems when they interfere. People knew this 200 years ago, somehow nobody knows this now.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by newcovenant
We would not have had a decline in our credit if it were not for our own people shouting to the whole world WE ARE NOT GOOD FOR IT!

Here's the thing... You aren't good for it! Ergo, your debt is astronomical. America borrows more than it pays back to the order of trillions of dollars. Your country is a financial liability endangering the well being of every other country in the world.

IRM

Is the answer to chase potential investors away?

I mean if you are literally for America and not one of those who want to dismantle the government and replace it with Corporate Heads because they have a history of job creation you are biting off the nose to spite the face.

Like a heard of cattle. This is not recognizing our destination and choosing it for ourselves...this is rushing head long into a pre-set and pre-determined DIRECTION...it is a premeditated PLAN to FORCE US INTO A STATE OF CHAOS AND DISORDER. WHY? Because someone over here has started firing "warning" shots into the air.
Slow down. Just like the imbeciles who will panic over the stock market. This is engineered so you will do just that. Somebody makes a bundle and things go back to a new normal. Or the old normal, point is, they go back.

So I urge rational people to make conscientious intelligent decisions and not EMOTIONAL AND REACTIONARY ONES.

Originally posted by anumohi
Obama was never legally eligible to be president in the first place, so realistically hes an enemy of this country and should be dealt with as such

and so should all his supporters

Yeah and I think the reverse is true.
Let's have a duel.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by kalunom

 

I just wrote this in another thread, but I think it bears repeating here.


You talk of compromise, the pols talk of compromise, the president talks of compromise.

When a thief holds a gun to you, the only compromise you'll find is how many times he shoots you!

So no compromise, no retreat, no surrender, no deal-making, no secret handshake deals.

What you don't seem to realize is that you, or rather the GOP/TP, are the thiefs holding the gun.

We have emptied our pockets with recession and bailouts and the GOP still screams and kicks and yells "Do as we say or we will make it worse!" They threaten a default and cause a downgrade just to let us know they are serious.

The middle class has finally realized they have nothing left to give this thief that will sate them...no more options beyond fighting for it's life.

That starts today with the unprecidented recall elections in Wisconsin and the fight will roll like thunder across the states all the way to Novemebr 2012.

Originally posted by kalunom
Agree or not, Barack Hussein Obama IS our President and we ALL, right or left, ought to support him and rally behind him.

Yes just like all the brainwashed slaves in North Korea supporting Kim il Jong.
Gotta support the leader! Doesn't matter if we get exploited or killed!

High five Americans.

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I heard Barrack tell the world in apress conference that america always has been and always will be a triple whatever rated nation and what some group says doesn't matter, (I'm tired so forgive the messy paraphrase)
What effing arrogance!
honestly. He seems to think that the opinion of the rest of the world is meaningless.
either that or he is severly deluded.
"Theres nothing wrong america, ignore those nasty foreigners"
He may as well just say "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"
It is a VERY serious thing and he seems to be treating it like a bad joke.
Happy i'm not a yank right now cause your in for some hard times.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by kalunom

 

I just wrote this in another thread, but I think it bears repeating here.


You talk of compromise, the pols talk of compromise, the president talks of compromise.

When a thief holds a gun to you, the only compromise you'll find is how many times he shoots you!

So no compromise, no retreat, no surrender, no deal-making, no secret handshake deals.

I like you, Sad Bunny. And I wholeheartedly agree!

It is our right, as Americans, to express our convictions and to question our elected officials - whether we voted for them or not, if we think they are NOT doing the job we elected them to do. I respect THE OFFICE of the President...but I cannot and will not support a man who, I feel, has broken (from almost Day One) his sacred oath of office. I do not believe he is trying to preserve, protect or defend the Constitution of the United States of America. I feel his is doing his best to bypass, discount, denegrate and undermine the Constituion and turn this country into Europe.

Originally posted by kro32
We should not support his policy's if we don't agree with them. That's not the way the country improves. If he has ideas about the direction of the country that people feel is incorrect they should do everything they can to change it or stop it.

This sounds fine, but ...

If those people, who feel the direction he is moving the country is incorrect, are basing their opinions on FOX News then shouldn't we do everything we can to stop those people? My goodness.

I'm not implying you're a FOX, I'm just saying in general.

What you are saying is essentially correct. Where it falls apart is that no matter what this President does, even if they are all essentially Republican policies (which they all have been so far) the FOX pundits and the neo-con Tea Party will just tell you the opposite: He's a socialist who wants to steal your money and give it to the poor, steal your guns, raise taxes, kill jobs, and construct muslim pyramids in your front yard as the Government grows SO MASSIVE in size that Earth is now referred to as the United Countries of the United States.

Politics have a stupid way of taking scenarios, while complex, are not overly complicated.

(1) The housing bubble was predicted by many experts. Nothing was done about. Regulations were stripped. Oops ..

(2) The bank bailouts were just epic disasters in every way ...

(3) You actually cannot have a war without raising taxes. So, what we did was just pretended we weren't spending the money and elected a new guy who was politically stupid enough to put it on the books.

(4) Not only do you 100% HAVE TO raise taxes in war-time, but you absolutely cannot implement tax decreases. Ooops ... I guess we did that too.

(5) BAM! Massive recession ...

(6) Classroom, how do you pull an economy out of a recession? You stimulate the economy! They all respond as they review chapter one of 9th grade economics.

(7) Fine. Let's stimulate the economy, but only if a massive quantity of that stimulus is tax cuts. Uhm, wat? Okay, sure ...

(8) Recession deepens ... obviously.

(9) Tax cuts extended ... hahahaha. Checks, "are wars still happening? Yes, okay. Gotcha."

(10) Debt ceiling is seen from a mile away. Everyone knows its coming. We actually have to raise it. Obama decides to take the high road with the neo-cons, trololol. "Let's talk." They respond, "Okay, what is this guy really that stupid?"

(11) We demonstrate to the entire world that our two party system has become so polarized as to actually jeopardize the global reserve currency.

It's so frustrating ... But, oh well. This was not supposed to be a long response. Oops.

ALL HAIL OBAMA!
HE IS INFALLABLE!
Your argument is a joke... If the President kills 4 hookers and does an eight ball of blow every day I'm not going to support him... Which you apparently would fully support... he is OUR POTUS and we should stand behind him! Its not like 80% of the country voted for him... only 53% did so there are practically as many of your fellow countrymen that voted against him as there are that voted for him.... sadly, I was one who was gimmicked into voting for him.

Hey OP after reading this thread I don't believe you're American saying some garbage like that...you might be living in America but that's not the American way of thinking...HAHAHA go drink some more tap water and put your head back in the hole it popped outta because if thats your solution (to just support him blindly) while he ruins the future of everybodys kids then you're no Countryman/Woman of Mine!

Why should we support and rally behind ANYONE who acts in self-interest rather than in the best interest for the country? Every time the government pulls a stunt on we the sheeple and we allow it, it just gives them further license to pull even more stunts not in our best interest. Many can't even afford a vacation because we've been taxed to death, bilked for every dollar at the grocery store and gas pump - and we have the president and congress constantly taking time off for golf, birthdays, weeks long vacations. Their "solution" to the economy crisis is to bilk us for even more while rewarding their corporate backers and lobbyists and crooked bankers with more profits at our expense. Government has become like a pack of hyenas - they are circling us and trying to scavenge every last morsel they can get from us until we are picked clean and devoured by the greedy beasts. A true American would rally around and support other fellow Americans to get out of this mess instead of leading a cheering squad in support of the corrupt.

Rally behind there decisions? Are you #ing nuts? You want me to rally behind decisions that ruin this nation? Wow I have heard it all now. Im going to rally behind Barack Obama as he #s me in the ass..........ya right

I find it really difficult to follow this discussion when someone types without quoting anyone "what an idiot".

Now if this forum was threaded so that people could easily follow the tree of the comment they are responding to, it would be better.

USENET has a perfect threading system. Why can't ATS adopt that?

Originally posted by newcovenant

Like a heard of cattle. This is not recognizing our destination and choosing it for ourselves...this is rushing head long into a pre-set and pre-determined DIRECTION...it is a premeditated PLAN to FORCE US INTO A STATE OF CHAOS AND DISORDER. WHY? Because someone over here has started firing "warning" shots into the air.
Slow down. Just like the imbeciles who will panic over the stock market. This is engineered so you will do just that. Somebody makes a bundle and things go back to a new normal. Or the old normal, point is, they go back.

So I urge rational people to make conscientious intelligent decisions and not EMOTIONAL AND REACTIONARY ONES.

We can agree on that!

IRM