Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Why do masons get angry at people researching their beliefs?

Whats the problem? Its not like your disrespecting them or anything.

Maybe just because they are not like Facebook society?
Is it hard to understand this?

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Don't ask them about Lucifer the Morning Star than.

Don't ask Agustus. He'll bewitch-slap you back to the Dark Ages with fact, not fancy.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Some of them seem to be claiming to be Luciferians. I am inclined to believe there are grains of truth to this. I have seen many facets of this subject and it is very provocative and very very deep.

Care to provide a name of a poster here claiming to be a Mason and a Luciferian? A link would help.I await your response.

My Girlfriends dad and Grandad are Masons. Been asked to attend some Family Night event in the next upcoming months, i can honestly say i am worried because of the negative comments i hear about Freemasonry on here.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Don't ask them about Lucifer the Morning Star than.

Don't ask Agustus. He'll bewitch-slap you back to the Dark Ages with fact, not fancy.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Some of them seem to be claiming to be Luciferians. I am inclined to believe there are grains of truth to this. I have seen many facets of this subject and it is very provocative and very very deep.

Care to provide a name of a poster here claiming to be a Mason and a Luciferian? A link would help.I await your response.

I think that black magicians and freemasons are in a totally different clan/order.

Its like comparing football to soccer or rugby. One player can be play either but is not mutually exclusive.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Is "Lucifer" the "Morning Star"? The "Light Bearer"?

Or do all instances of Lucifer always equal Satan?

That's a good basic question to ask Masons. But I don't think anyone below 32nd degree will have a clue about it.

Don't be angry with me because I know more on average about Masons than most Masons do.

Oh good! Finally, someone who can quote the passage in the 33° initiation ritual that talks about Lucifer. By all means, please enlighten us with the truth we lowly Masons are not privy to!!!

And just to make sure you're not BSing us, I can verify against the ACTUAL 33° ritual... you know, this one:

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Is "Lucifer" the "Morning Star"? The "Light Bearer"?

Or do all instances of Lucifer always equal Satan?

That's a good basic question to ask Masons. But I don't think anyone below 32nd degree will have a clue about it.

Don't be angry with me because I know more on average about Masons than most Masons do.

Oh good! Finally, someone who can quote the passage in the 33° initiation ritual that talks about Lucifer. By all means, please enlighten us with the truth we lowly Masons are not privy to!!!

And just to make sure you're not BSing us, I can verify against the ACTUAL 33° ritual... you know, this one:

Who's certificate is that?

They have all that stuff documented?

I have a question.

Is one of the requirements to be a Mason monotheistic faith, and if so why?

I've always wondered that. I asked one of my barbers who was a Mason, and he said to seek the answers to the questions I ask, go to the local lodge and ask/join. Well I never did, so I figured this would be a good forum to ask.

Never really been interested in joining though as I'm weary of joining cliques, groups, fraternities, etc. No offense; it's just that I'm more of a loner.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Who's certificate is that?

They have all that stuff documented?

It's the first page of the script. Of course all of the Scottish Rite degrees are written down… most probably take a dozen or more guys on the degree team, not to mention the costume crew, the lighting & sound crews, the stage director, the director on work. Everyone needs a copy of the script to work from! (If you still actually believe that Masonry has secrets, sorry to burst your bubble…)

Originally posted by majesticgent
I have a question.

Is one of the requirements to be a Mason monotheistic faith, and if so why?

I've always wondered that. I asked one of my barbers who was a Mason, and he said to seek the answers to the questions I ask, go to the local lodge and ask/join. Well I never did, so I figured this would be a good forum to ask.

Never really been interested in joining though as I'm weary of joining cliques, groups, fraternities, etc. No offense; it's just that I'm more of a loner.

It's a question that only you can answer. I suppose some faiths could be polytheistic where all the deities had equal power. I'm not familiar with such a religion, personally. The only question you're asked is if you believe in a supreme deity. If you're of a pantheistic belief that includes an all-father (Odin, Zeus, etc…) who was supreme over the other gods, then perhaps you could, in all honesty to your own beliefs, answer "Yes" when asked that question.

You're the only one who can really know what you believe, and it is not the place of Masonry to question that or try to change it in any way.

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Who's certificate is that?

They have all that stuff documented?

It's the first page of the script. Of course all of the Scottish Rite degrees are written down… most probably take a dozen or more guys on the degree team, not to mention the costume crew, the lighting & sound crews, the stage director, the director on work. Everyone needs a copy of the script to work from! (If you still actually believe that Masonry has secrets, sorry to burst your bubble…)

Its really good that you guys have ways to keep out moles and conspirators. Like say government shill agents trying to "re-educate" them while pretending to be a member.

infiltrators are disgusting.

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Its really good that you guys have ways to keep out moles and conspirators. Like say government shill agents trying to "re-educate" them while pretending to be a member.

infiltrators are disgusting.

It would be difficult if not impossible for an infiltrator to make any changes to Masonry. The first three degrees have gone largely unchanged for close to 300 years; the Scottish Rite degrees are codified by their respective Supreme Councils; Grand Lodge officers only serve one year terms…

Originally posted by majesticgent
I have a question.

Is one of the requirements to be a Mason monotheistic faith, and if so why?

I've always wondered that. I asked one of my barbers who was a Mason, and he said to seek the answers to the questions I ask, go to the local lodge and ask/join. Well I never did, so I figured this would be a good forum to ask.

Never really been interested in joining though as I'm weary of joining cliques, groups, fraternities, etc. No offense; it's just that I'm more of a loner.

edit on 9-8-2011 by majesticgent because: worded my question a bit better

I see it a little different than Josh on this one. Our question is do we believe in "one, ever-living deity (god)."

To me, there can be only one deity that pervades all religions and cultures. That deity may have different names and incarnations, but it is still part of the same deity. I do not believe a Mason can have a polytheistic faith. A Mason can acknowledge all of the different incarnations of the deity, but it is still part of one creator, not several.

As far as being a loner, it sounds tough and romantic, but in reality, it is the easy way out. Being a loner, means never having to compromise, never having to face off with a well-respected adversary and hold your ground or admit you are wrong. In reality, it is much more enlightening, and difficult, and empowering to be a strong-willed and intelligent personality among a group of other strong-willed and intelligent personalities! It is a constant learning environment and personal challenge. When one chooses to go it alone, they choose to never be challenged. The same goes for when one surrounds themselves with lesser individuals. The best way to grow as an individual is to surround yourself with people from whom you can learn, and also people who will be honest and direct with you. It is difficult and enlightening, and frustrating, and rewarding. Being a loner is nothing to celebrate, it is only evidence of a scared soul, and choosing to not be challenged.

ETA: I once celebrated being a loner as well. I didn't choose my friends well, and I didn't evolve as a person. I didn't like meeting people that could challenge my intelligence, or knowledge, or fortitude. As I grew, and I made some friends that were my equals and peers, I began to realize how much I could learn from differing opinions, and even from being proven wrong from time to time (rarely!). I never really started to grow up until I was in my late 20's and I surrounded myself with powerful individuals who were not intimidated by me. Then, in my early 30's I joined Masonry. I had to learn to trust people, and I had to learn to listen more often than I speak. It was difficult to be in a room full of people who had more life experience, more success, and more spiritual knowledge than myself. It was humbling, but now I am proud to be one of the respected members that can share my own experiences with others. I have improved as a husband, as a boss, and as a friend, by learning to be part of a group, where I am not always the leader, but sometimes just a member.

they get mad because they know by being a part of the masons they are contributing to the destruction and rape of this nation. Its a massive ponzi scheme and they just use lame mock occult rituals to attract more contributes to keep their money flowing.