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Originally posted by Starwise
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
My grandfather was a mason, he kept his *stuff* secret....But when I lived in Mason City Iowa, I walked straight into the masonic lodge and told them I wanted to join the Eastern Star. They graciously allowed me entry, gave me a tour, and let me see the library! This of course was after I was voted on by the members
Originally posted by tattoolee
Hi there im new to the site and as far very interested
I know that there is alot off argument about the masons ie satanic worshippers corrupt etc
I am a strong believer in the knights templar of old and the prior of sion
But i do know from first hand accounts that there is something going on in the masons
I think they have alot off control over peoples lives and as the saying goes if the face don't fit your not part off the circle
They don't like people who go against the masons
And for a poor person I know nearly ruined his life
Originally posted by tattoolee
Hi im not saying anything off the slightest about satanism but if that's your tickle each to there own but if you could explain why there was a new child coffin on display in one off there ceremony rooms in the London head office please explain plus we know as I guess that many off you do that the masons order goes way above 33 degrees and these are the ones that have very maniplative influences on certain public people
Originally posted by tattoolee
Hi im not saying anything off the slightest about satanism but if that's your tickle each to there own but if you could explain why there was a new child coffin on display in one off there ceremony rooms in the London head office please explain plus we know as I guess that many off you do that the masons order goes way above 33 degrees and these are the ones that have very maniplative influences on certain public people
Originally posted by tattoolee
plus we know as I guess that many off you do that the masons order goes way above 33 degrees
Masons are notorious for their lapel pin collections.
(A friend and I have been discussing making a 34° pin, just to freak out the 33rds…)
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
You are wrong about Jupiter being the principle deity of the Romans, their patron was Cronus/Saturn.
At the same time, there was a tradition that Saturn had been an immigrant god, received by Janus after he was usurped by his son Jupiter
The Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus, also known as the Temple of Jupiter Capitolinus (Latin: Aedes Iovis Optimi Maximi Capitolini, Italian: Tempio di Giove Ottimo Massimo, English: "Temple of Jupiter Best and Greatest on the Capitoline") was the most important temple in Ancient Rome, located on the Capitoline Hill. source
Originally posted by network dude
Originally posted by tattoolee
Hi im not saying anything off the slightest about satanism but if that's your tickle each to there own but if you could explain why there was a new child coffin on display in one off there ceremony rooms in the London head office please explain plus we know as I guess that many off you do that the masons order goes way above 33 degrees and these are the ones that have very maniplative influences on certain public people
Hi again,
I cannot explain why there might be a new child coffin on display anywhere. We don't use a coffin as a symbol in any way that I am aware. (I am only a 32nd degree) I coudl only speculate and that would not do any good.
To the best of my knowledge, regular freemasonry goes up to the 3rd degree. Some claim the 4th of the York Rite, but only in certain areas. Side bodies such as the Scottish Rite do go up to the 33rd. There is a Rite that is not regular called the Rite of Memphis Mizriam, which goes up to 90 degrees, but again, that rite is not a part of regular masonry in most parts.
US Scottish Rite masonry usually are all 32nd degree masons with only a few reaching the 33rd with hard work, dedication and recognition of their works. In the UK and some other parts, it's not uncommon for a Scottish Rite mason to only go to the 18th degree with only a small number going to the 32nd and a very select few reaching 33.
While none of us here claim to know everything, we have a good idea of how the power structure of freemasonry works. A group of secret upper tier 34th degree masons and higher might very well exist, but since nobody is selling pins and hats for those degrees, it's likely that they are more fantasy than reality.
As for the coffin, there is a grave of significance in some of the degree work. I don't know what goes on in the UK, but in the US a few Lodges do use an actual coffin. My Lodge uses a rubber mat, LOL!
-getreadyalready
History
The location of the temple is connected to the much older Altar of Saturn, which tradition associates with the god himself founding a settlement on the Capitoline Hill. Construction of the temple is thought to have begun in the later years of the Roman Kingdom under Tarquinius Superbus. Its inauguration by the Consul Titus Lartius took place in the early years of the Republic. The temple was completely reconstructed by Munatius Plancus in 42 BC.
The present ruins represent the third incarnation of the Temple of Saturn, replacing a second incarnation that had been destroyed by the fire of Carinus in 283 AD. The extant inscription on the frieze commemorates the restoration undertaken after the fire.
The Romans regarded Saturn as the original and autochthonous ruler of the Capitolium,[64] and the first king of Latium or even the whole of Italy
Originally posted by W3RLIED2
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
There is no 34th Degree.... the chains attatched to your legs are being pulled, buddy.
I wonder about the Rite of Memphis sometimes. Ive been interested in it but havnt really found a lot about it. Is it in practice anywhere? I have had my doubts, but dont know the answer.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by FriedBabelBroccoli
He didn't contradict me in any way. A coffin is not one of our symbols. Some lodges may choose to use it in their degree work, but it is certainly not one of our symbols. My lodge doesn't use one either, we use a rubber mat, but I have heard of lodges having actual coffins, it doesn't surprise nor concern me in any way.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
It was a valiant effort on your part, but alas for naught.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Jupiter usurped Saturn prior to Rome's founding (according to their myths) and was hence forth subordinate to Jupiter.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
At the same time, there was a tradition that Saturn had been an immigrant god, received by Janus after he was usurped by his son Jupiter
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
The Romans regarded Saturn as the original and autochthonous ruler of the Capitolium,[64] and the first king of Latium or even the whole of Italy.
Originally posted by tattoolee
if you could explain why there was a new child coffin on display in one off there ceremony rooms in the London