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reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 03:26 AM by Taurean27

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by Taurean27

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Why do masons get angry at people researching their beliefs?

Whats the problem? Its not like your disrespecting them or anything.

WHY???
It's because some "people" think they know more about Freemasonry than the Freemasons.
We get told by these "experts" that it's all bad and evil, yet that is so far from the truth.
Reading a book does NOT make you an expert, it's the practical side combined with the knowledge learned that makes the student more academic in his field. You can read a book on medicine, but that doesn't make you a doctor.........it makes you more like a quack.!

Freemasonry is the same and I don't need a non Freemason lecturing me on Freemasonry.

No ones attack you.

Relax.

I'm at a loss with the "one ones attack you..........relax" What do you mean?????

I'm answering YOUR question, if you don't mind. And there are many sites out there the questions us Masons all the time and when WE take the time to explain, in a very pleasant manner too, we get their versions thrown at as and we're told we're wrong.
.......and you say..........RELAX.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 05:29 AM by TheLoneArcher

Okay, this is an American publication from Indiana, but please take time to have a look.
I hope it is helpful.

www.youtube.com...

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 06:18 AM by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by Taurean27
I'm at a loss with the "one ones attack you..........relax" What do you mean?????

I'm answering YOUR question, if you don't mind. And there are many sites out there the questions us Masons all the time and when WE take the time to explain, in a very pleasant manner too, we get their versions thrown at as and we're told we're wrong.
.......and you say..........RELAX.

Someone's trolling and has been for a while.

Don't sweat the small stuff.

Fitz

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 06:21 AM by MapMistress

I've never had a FreeMason get angry when I've asked questions about religion. Perhaps it was your stance when you asked questions.

The assumption is that FreeMasons dictate a religion--- when they don't. To join the FreeMasons...they don't tell you what your religious beliefs have to be.

A FreeMason can be a Christian, a Deist, an Agnostic, an Atheist, a Scientologist, even a Luciferian. They do not dictate religion to their members....however they encourage their members to seek out whatever spiritual path they wish to seek out.

As for the comments at the beginning of the thread calling FreeMasons "satanic" or "Luciferian"....there's a difference between the two.

Luciferianism is NOT satanism. The way I had it explained to me by a FreeMason who was BOTH an Atheist and a Luciferian is that as an Atheist...he did not believe in a deity creator. Instead he believed that humankind was created by aliens...and that angels/fallen angels were really aliens. That Lucifer was one of the aliens out of all the angels/fallen angels that had created humans.

That was ONE FreeMason who was Atheist AND Luciferian ...that was his way of describing it.

Satanism on the other hand is the belief that the world was created by God, that Satan is the devil and they prefer to follow satan. That just isn't the same as Luciferianism. Luciferianism is more like Ancient Alien Theory. They believe Lucifer and other fallen angels are aliens from outer space that created humans. Many reject the Bible and the idea of Creationism.... see the difference?

Anyhow...FreeMason don't dictate religion. Just as the one FreeMason is allowed to be Atheist and Luciferian...others are allowed to be Christian (and go to church 5 days a week if they like)...another FreeMason could be Deist...another could be Scientologist.

They really don't dictate to their members that they have to be a specific religion...they just encourage them to seek out their spiritual path....whatever that path might be.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 08:33 AM by getreadyalready

reply to post by MapMistress

Hi Mistress,

Thank you for your defense of Freemasons, but I want to clarify one aspect.

One cannot be an Atheist and a Freemason. There are some odd versions of Freemasonry out there, so I believe you have a friend that claims to be what you say, but he would be considered and "irregular Mason" or a "clandestine Mason." There are no Regular Masons that are Atheists.

Also, a Regular Mason must believe in "one ever-living" creator/God/Deity, etc. I don't believe and Alien Race would qualify as a singular deity. Therefore, I don't believe someone that believes in something like Scientology could honestly answer yes to the questions that qualify them to become a Mason.

While Masons do not require any specific religion, and we don't care how you define and name your God, we do care that you have a God, and that you have spirituality that serves as a testament to your character. Religion is important, we just don't get into semantics and names.

I hope that makes it a little more clear.

reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 08:35 AM by TheLoneArcher

reply to post by getreadyalready

I concur. As a part of the Entered Aprentice Intitiation, you are to declare that you believe in an Almighty Creator or creative force, better known as TGAOTU.

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reply posted on 18-8-2011 @ 11:32 AM by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by MapMistress

Hi Mistress,

Thank you for your defense of Freemasons, but I want to clarify one aspect.

One cannot be an Atheist and a Freemason. There are some odd versions of Freemasonry out there, so I believe you have a friend that claims to be what you say, but he would be considered and "irregular Mason" or a "clandestine Mason." There are no Regular Masons that are Atheists.

Also, a Regular Mason must believe in "one ever-living" creator/God/Deity, etc. I don't believe and Alien Race would qualify as a singular deity. Therefore, I don't believe someone that believes in something like Scientology could honestly answer yes to the questions that qualify them to become a Mason.

While Masons do not require any specific religion, and we don't care how you define and name your God, we do care that you have a God, and that you have spirituality that serves as a testament to your character. Religion is important, we just don't get into semantics and names.

I hope that makes it a little more clear.

Seems masons are very respectful of fellow members.

reply posted on 19-8-2011 @ 01:19 AM by TheLoneArcher

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman

Yes we are, but we are also respectful to non Masons too.

reply posted on 21-8-2011 @ 09:28 PM by SimultaneousFinal

Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Why do masons get angry at people researching their beliefs?

Whats the problem? Its not like your disrespecting them or anything.

We don't. We love it when seekers inquire. What I, personally, don't like is when people make wild generalizations about us based on a few "bad apples" (which can be said to exist in ANY group of people). I, personally, am also not too thrilled when religious people ask me about Masonry just so they can "cut me off" mid-explanation with,

"You need to be saved!"

From what, dude? From what?

reply posted on 21-9-2011 @ 08:35 PM by DRAZIW

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by muzzleflash

That's why everyone is freaked out about them, because it's all messed up and everything is lost in translation.

Good point. One would assume Lucifer and Satan are the same entity. I've seen references to them being different entities but I never really looked into it due to the fact that religious teachings bore me deeply. So can anyone sum up the difference?

Satan = Sa + Ta + N = "Protector" + "Land" + "Seas" in ancient Egyptian.

He is the protector of the land and the seas, he walks the earth, trying men and testing them.

And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. -- Job 2:2 KJV

When Masons say they "make good men better" it is true.

But, they are not making "Masons" into better men.

Instead, the masons are used to make the good men of society who remain outside the Lodge into better men, by trying them and testing them, just as the Bible says.

Think of it as the devil's workers.

Satan was created as Satan, he never had any other role.

On the other hand Lucifer is a fallen angel:

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! -- Isaiah 14:12 KJV

Lucifer fell to earth, the same way Jesus incarnated on earth. In fact, Jesus and Lucifer are two sides of the same coin. Both were the most powerful spiritual beings apart from the FATHER. One is sent to earth by the FATHER, the other is made to fall to earth by the FATHER. It's a subtle difference, I know. But both JESUS and LUCIFER have the same numeric value in gematria J+E+S+U+S = 74 = L+U+C+I+F+E+R, where J=10, E=5, etc..So, depending on who is looking at the drama of the high soul coming to earth, the event is interpreted differently. In the end, there is only one FATHER, and only one SON. Some people say, the SON came of his own free will, to save mankind. Others say, the FATHER made him come, so he came entirely at the will of his FATHER, and that's another viewpoint. In either case, these guys left their fabulous post in heaven, to come down to this rotten planet called earth, to be an example, leave a message, etc..the point is...Lucifer is like Jesus, they came from the same abode up there...wherever that is, but the devil has always been with us here on earth.

reply posted on 25-9-2011 @ 03:40 PM by KSigMason

Originally posted by DRAZIW
Satan = Sa + Ta + N = "Protector" + "Land" + "Seas" in ancient Egyptian.

Originally posted by DRAZIW
Instead, the masons are used to make the good men of society who remain outside the Lodge into better men, by trying them and testing them, just as the Bible says.

Except you cannot connect Satanic worship with Freemasonry. You cannot make a conclusion from a single argument (or premise). Your premise at that is not valid or sound nor is it founded as you only said something, you didn't give us a source to your work.