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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Originally posted by Taurean27
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Why do masons get angry at people researching their beliefs?
Whats the problem? Its not like your disrespecting them or anything.
WHY???
It's because some "people" think they know more about Freemasonry than the Freemasons.
We get told by these "experts" that it's all bad and evil, yet that is so far from the truth.
Reading a book does NOT make you an expert, it's the practical side combined with the knowledge learned that makes the student more academic in his field. You can read a book on medicine, but that doesn't make you a doctor.........it makes you more like a quack.!
Freemasonry is the same and I don't need a non Freemason lecturing me on Freemasonry.
No ones attack you.
Relax.
Originally posted by Taurean27
I'm at a loss with the "one ones attack you..........relax" What do you mean?????
I'm answering YOUR question, if you don't mind. And there are many sites out there the questions us Masons all the time and when WE take the time to explain, in a very pleasant manner too, we get their versions thrown at as and we're told we're wrong.
.......and you say..........RELAX.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by MapMistress
Hi Mistress,
Thank you for your defense of Freemasons, but I want to clarify one aspect.
One cannot be an Atheist and a Freemason. There are some odd versions of Freemasonry out there, so I believe you have a friend that claims to be what you say, but he would be considered and "irregular Mason" or a "clandestine Mason." There are no Regular Masons that are Atheists.
Also, a Regular Mason must believe in "one ever-living" creator/God/Deity, etc. I don't believe and Alien Race would qualify as a singular deity. Therefore, I don't believe someone that believes in something like Scientology could honestly answer yes to the questions that qualify them to become a Mason.
While Masons do not require any specific religion, and we don't care how you define and name your God, we do care that you have a God, and that you have spirituality that serves as a testament to your character. Religion is important, we just don't get into semantics and names.
I hope that makes it a little more clear.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Why do masons get angry at people researching their beliefs?
Whats the problem? Its not like your disrespecting them or anything.
Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by muzzleflash
Good point. One would assume Lucifer and Satan are the same entity. I've seen references to them being different entities but I never really looked into it due to the fact that religious teachings bore me deeply. So can anyone sum up the difference?
That's why everyone is freaked out about them, because it's all messed up and everything is lost in translation.
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. -- Job 2:2 KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! -- Isaiah 14:12 KJV
Originally posted by DRAZIW
Satan = Sa + Ta + N = "Protector" + "Land" + "Seas" in ancient Egyptian.
Originally posted by DRAZIW
Instead, the masons are used to make the good men of society who remain outside the Lodge into better men, by trying them and testing them, just as the Bible says.
Originally posted by DRAZIW
Satan was created as Satan, he never had any other role.
On the other hand Lucifer is a fallen angel:
Constellation of Capricorn has also been called the ‘Pather of Light’ and 15,000 years ago, the Sun was at this point on the summer solstice, dating the history of the mythology of this Constellation back 15,000 years. During that time goatskins were sacred and the Goat Fish was recognised in almost every ancient civilisation. He was known as such things as ‘He of the vast intellect’, ‘Lord of the Sacred Eye’ and ‘God of Wisdom’.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Need I go into the Baphomet of satanic worship here or does everyone remember the goat head in the pentagram (which encodes the procession of the sun and zodiac)?
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Or a christian perspective might realize that their aprons are symbolic of the figs leaves Adam and Eve used to cover themselves which God disapproved of and so gave them coats of flesh.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Or perhaps that the square or cube
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Nothing special about them really other than they are legends in their own minds.
Think of how stupid the average person is. By definition of average, half the people in the world are dumber than that.
Originally posted by LightsideAssassin
There comes a point in your life when you realize that vast swaths of humanity are irredeemably stupid.
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Originally posted by LightsideAssassin
There comes a point in your life when you realize that vast swaths of humanity are irredeemably stupid.
Think of how stupid the average person is. By definition of average, half the people in the world are dumber than that.
IT is now generally accepted by Masonic authorities that the modern fraternity of Freemasons had its origin among the builder guilds of England in the Middle Ages. A rapid survey of the gild system in general was published in this department in November; it is now in order to examine with more care the Masonic gilds themselves, with a view to gaining a picture (necessarily somewhat in the rough, and in outline) of the customs and manners of our Masonic forbears, a subject that is saved from being academic and dry by the fact that most of the rules, regulations and customs now in operation among us are traced to the early Operative Masons (as it is the habit to describe them), so that it is impossible for us to understand the Masonry of today apart from the Masonry of many centuries ago.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
reply to post by Fitzgibbon
Perhaps you should provide your definition of operative mason.
Masonry is masonry
www.freemasons-freemasonry.com...
IT is now generally accepted by Masonic authorities that the modern fraternity of Freemasons had its origin among the builder guilds of England in the Middle Ages. A rapid survey of the gild system in general was published in this department in November; it is now in order to examine with more care the Masonic gilds themselves, with a view to gaining a picture (necessarily somewhat in the rough, and in outline) of the customs and manners of our Masonic forbears, a subject that is saved from being academic and dry by the fact that most of the rules, regulations and customs now in operation among us are traced to the early Operative Masons (as it is the habit to describe them), so that it is impossible for us to understand the Masonry of today apart from the Masonry of many centuries ago.
So are you saying that modern masonry is not that same as its roots, which lends to further speculations?
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
I never said your pentagram was the baphomet head, however it does encode the procession and the astronomical teachings are of Freemasonry, and thus the lord of the rings/Time Saturn.
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
Need I go into the Baphomet of satanic worship here or does everyone remember the goat head in the pentagram (which encodes the procession of the sun and zodiac)?
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Yes. Yes you do. Insomuch as Freemasonry doesn't use what is conventionally referred to as the pentagram, it would be a pleasant change if you would be so kind as to tell me what I don't know. Standby hubris
Originally posted by FriedBabelBroccoli
How about you provide evidence that the all seeing eye on your aprons is not from capricorn or that the pillars are the gates of Gemini.