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I'm not trying to "prove" anything. You asked for a membership list, and I gave you a membership list. No reason to be an ass if you forgot your own question.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
So what are you trying to prove with this new website?
They have a list of people that attended. So what.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Do freemasons believe that Bilderberg,CFR,IMF,and Trilateral Commission are nefarious organizations?
How do you feel about the bank bailouts and Obama, Bushes, Clintons, Chaney etc being apart of the organizations above?
Originally posted by getreadyalready
I tend to hold onto the more romantic notion that "operative" Masons were our earliest brethren and preceded all other orders...
Originally posted by fordrew
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
agreed. Slowly and slowly ATS I try to stay away from ATS because of the pure amount of stupidity people flaunt and display over here...
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
Originally posted by fordrew
reply to post by ManBehindTheMask
agreed. Slowly and slowly ATS I try to stay away from ATS because of the pure amount of stupidity people flaunt and display over here...
Unfortunately, society at the moment seems to honour stupidity as something to aspire to, like some sort of badge. Welcome to JackAss© society.
Fitz
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Everything is fine....er...yeah.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Everything is fine....er...yeah.
Cognitive bias experienced by conspiracists leads them down pathways of completely worthless information while thinking they are privy to arcane mysteries. "I can see what nobody else can see" they think.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Everything is fine....er...yeah.
When a conspiracist is thoroughly and completely debunked from every possible angle, the last weak resort is to say
"Hm...yeah right...like everything is just fine.. Nothing to see here, move on folks"
...as if the only way events can be caused is by evil conspiracies. These are ways events can happen:
1. Through a Cause: One thing sets another thing in motion
2. Through positive attempts that have negative effects.
3. Through negative attempts that have positive effects.
4. Through multiple causes
5. Randomly (S*ht Happens)
6. Through deliberate orchestration
7. Through secret deliberate orchestration by benevolent people
8. Through secret deliberate orchestration by malevolent people.
Those are eight different ways (and there are many more) something can happen or come to be.
The reason those called "conspiracists keep emphasizing only one is because they have psychological issues regarding broken trust (usually in childhood).
It is true that conspiracies exist, the error is in over-emphasising conspiracies as an explanation for events, symbols, disasters, history, politics, economy, society.
Cognitive bias experienced by conspiracists leads them down pathways of completely worthless information while thinking they are privy to arcane mysteries. "I can see what nobody else can see" they think.
The life lesson yet to be learned is to be able to discern between real and unreal and thereby gain more competence in living life. One then no longer wastes time compiling write-ups based on a number of false premises (such as the one in the title of this thread), but permits more and more truth and light into ones life.
Originally posted by Theosophical
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Cognitive bias experienced by conspiracists leads them down pathways of completely worthless information while thinking they are privy to arcane mysteries. "I can see what nobody else can see" they think.
At what point does the evidence completely overwhelm the bias?
Originally posted by Theosophical
Have you ever discovered something?
I actually can see what I believe to be unseen by 99.99% of people. I won't say ''nobody'' because I am not seeing some natural phenomenon that ''nobody'' else sees. I am observing the machinations of some elite group of very powerful people, and there is a very predictable pattern to it. I don't have evidential hunches. I have scientific data points that fit into a repeating framework.
Originally posted by Theosophical
At what point does the evidence completely overwhelm the bias?
Have you ever discovered something?
I actually can see what I believe to be unseen by 99.99% of people.
Originally posted by Theosophical
Yet still I do not think ''they'' are angry with me. I think the evidence I am seeing is meant to be seen.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Theosophical
Yet still I do not think ''they'' are angry with me. I think the evidence I am seeing is meant to be seen.
There is no "they".
And that statement is not coming from a Skeptic or Ignoramus. Its coming from someone who has studied conspiracy-literature since 20 years and this website since 10 years.
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
When it can be clearly demonstrated as claimed to sane, unbiased third parties.
Originally posted by Theosophical
This is oddly starting to sound like a mason that gets angry at people researching his beliefs.
And how can one say there is no ''they''? What does that even mean?
People are actively conspiring, together, synchronized, doing it one more time. It's ''them''. That is who ''they'' is.
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by Theosophical
This is oddly starting to sound like a mason that gets angry at people researching his beliefs.
"There is no they" can be spoken angrily, with a sense of humour, with heart and compassion, with arrogance, with pity, with enthusiasm...there is no automatic emotion attached to the statement.
Perhaps "There is no they, damn it!" would imply the emotion of anger.
You could of course have the "hunch" that I am angry, just like you have this "hunch" about "them". But knowing that I am in no way angry while writing, but rather neutral, I can see that your "hunches" may not come from Intuition but from projection (imagination) instead.
And how can one say there is no ''they''? What does that even mean?
Read this site. More than 1 Million posts in which a person is referring to some vague concept of "them" and "the powers that be" but many seemingly meaning something or someone different by the term.
Life experience tells us that consistent vagueness over longer periods of time is an indicator that a body of information is not actually valid but mythological.
People are actively conspiring, together, synchronized, doing it one more time. It's ''them''. That is who ''they'' is.
Sure.
Lets take Freemasonry as an example of Millions of claims of conspiracy. Knowing Freemasonry inside out I realize that Freemasonry is fairly benevolent, sometimes boring, sometimes interesting. And yet, you`ll see Millions of posts here insist that Freemasonry or parts of it are nefarious.
I could cite the same of about four other organizations I am familiar with from personal experience of which people believe the same.
In short: What you believe or what "hunches" you have are completely meaningless in light of reality.
If you like to see yourself as someone on path of light and truth, the first thing you`ll want to do is determine what is real and what is not.
I am not saying that I know more about truth than you because you will be better versed than me in many other subjects. But I do know what I experienced first hand and love and at location and that always trumps rumour, hearsay and fear-literature.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
No one here is saying freemasonry is evil. Who's saying that?
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by getreadyalready
I tend to hold onto the more romantic notion that "operative" Masons were our earliest brethren and preceded all other orders...
I am not sure if anyone will definitely know the answer but you are close in your assessment. The Regius Poem predates the Templars by 200 years and makes reference to Masonry well before the formation of the order.