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Originally posted by habiff
reply to post by AM47240
After following this thread I find I am compelled to add my two cents. I have been a mason for 12 years, after being raised to the third degree I became a 32 degree Scottish Rite mason. My motivation to become a mason was the admirable qualities I saw in a few men that I was associated with, honesty, humility, selflessness, etc and the way they led their lives and influenced those around them, myself included. I have been taught that the goal of masonry is to "make good men better". The only riches or power I have received are those of self improvement through studying masonic principals and being associated with men of the same mind. Never once have I heard any religious talk by any member in or out of the lodge or evidence of any type of "conspiracy". However like any organization I have come across a few people that joined because they thought they they might get some benefit but they are very transparent and recognized as such. Anyone blatantly using his masonic membership for personal gain with another mason would elicit the opposite reaction in almost every mason I know. As to not being high enough up to be aware of any consperacy if that was the case then there would be very very few people involved and I don't see how they could have much effect on anything. This is my experience with masonry and if anyone is considering joining the fraternity I would encourage you to do so.
Originally posted by petrus4
If Freemasonry cares about people ceasing to believe that they are evil, then they can improve their image in one very simple way; become transparent. Throw the doors open, and let us learn everything there is to, about what you do, and what you believe.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by petrus4
So, we are back to the either "we don't know" or "we would never admit" argument?
You are entitled to your opinion, but you are still entirely wrong.
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
I try not to pretend I know more than I know(except in game design I am an expert in how a video game should be made).That's a childish waste of energy.
So are you using true vector-based motion for the ball, or just keeping separate deltaX and deltaY variables and flipping the sign of one on bounce? Any coefficient of friction on the paddles that would change the momentum of the ball based on the velocity of the paddle at time of collision? What collision detection algorithm are you using? Is the angle of the bounce off of the paddle changed at all by where on the surface of the paddle the ball strikes? (also thinking edges and corners here…)
I am currently programming( trying )a video game from 1972 pong.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
I don't like hating/strife against people I don't know. Love your brother as you would love yourself.
edit on 10-8-2011 by John_Rodger_Cornman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by JoshNorton
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
I try not to pretend I know more than I know(except in game design I am an expert in how a video game should be made).That's a childish waste of energy.So are you using true vector-based motion for the ball, or just keeping separate deltaX and deltaY variables and flipping the sign of one on bounce? Any coefficient of friction on the paddles that would change the momentum of the ball based on the velocity of the paddle at time of collision? What collision detection algorithm are you using? Is the angle of the bounce off of the paddle changed at all by where on the surface of the paddle the ball strikes? (also thinking edges and corners here…)
I am currently programming( trying )a video game from 1972 pong.
Please, share with us your expertise since we've been kind enough to share ours.
Originally posted by petrus4
I'm going to make another reply about my opinion of Freemasonry here.
I will be honest. My own ideal scenario, would be one in which Freemasonry did not exist. However, unfortunately it does, and there is nothing I can do about that.
I've read about Albert Pike.
Originally posted by petrus4
From that, and various other minor intersections I've had with Masonry in the course of my own wanderings, I've come to a number of conclusions.
Originally posted by petrus4
a] That Freemasonry *is* Luciferian.
Originally posted by petrus4
b] That they are part of a somewhat larger coalition of secret societies that are in the process of trying to murder 95% of the currently existing human race, and by extension, ultimately all carbon based life on this planet.
Originally posted by petrus4
c] That said plan is ultimately demonic in origin, and that they and everyone else working with them, are therefore pawns, whether or not they are aware of this.
Originally posted by petrus4
Individual Masons are free to attempt to deny the above charges as much as they like; it won't matter. This is for two reasons.
a] Nobody in this thread, on this forum, or in any position to speak publically, will be a sufficiently high level Mason as to be capable of knowing the real truth, themselves.
b] Even if, hypothetically speaking, some of you *were* aware of the validity of the above, there is no way that you would ever publically admit it.
Originally posted by petrus4
If Freemasonry cares about people ceasing to believe that they are evil, then they can improve their image in one very simple way; become transparent.
Originally posted by petrus4
Throw the doors open, and let us learn everything there is to, about what you do, and what you believe.
Originally posted by petrus4
I'm confident, however, that you will not do that; and I'm equally confident that the reason why, is because the above charges are correct.
Originally posted by petrus4
Understand; nothing you tell us is verifiable, one way or the other.
Originally posted by petrus4
You might tell me that the Masons are the most wonderful group of people in the world, and I have no choice whatsoever but to take your word for it.
Originally posted by petrus4
So I have no reason to believe you, because I have no means of independently determining whether or not you are, in fact, telling me the truth. If nothing else, that alone does not inspire trust.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
I can't disprove something that isn't there to disprove. That argument is entirely moot.
Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman
Why do masons get angry at people researching their beliefs?
Whats the problem? Its not like your disrespecting them or anything.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by petrus4
To a certain extent I agree. I wish many organized religions didn't exist. I wish corporations had some type of limit to their size and influence (monopoly laws?), I wish the government hadn't grown so far out of proportion, and I wish fences and roadways didn't criss-cross the land.
But, of all the evil things in the world, Masonry is really one of the good guys. Masonry does absolutely no harm, and only seeks to help others, by their own free will and accord.. We are not pushing our agenda on anyone.
The only way you could be certain for yourself, would be to try it out for yourself, but all of the crazy negativity has frightened some people away.
Another idea is to really ignore the internet for a week or so, and go and inquire about Masonry in real life. I bet you will be hard-pressed to find a negative word about Masonry in real life. This conspiracy stuff is really confined to a few books and the internet.
Originally posted by Frater210
Ok, thread. I'm back for my shift. And I brought my stirring stick.
How did this thread get this far with no one taking you all to task over Tubal Cain?
I know, I can hear it now, 'Ah, Frater210, why did you have to bring that up'?
Well, because if you guys can squeeze out of this one then you will have handled every kind of crap 'Anti-Masons' can throw at you on one of these threads and I will have been proud to have participated in the last thread of this kind on ATS. (Doubtful, I know)
So what about it Freemasons?
How do you explain how Tubal Cain got into your Freemasonry.
And don't give us any of that Vulcan crap.
We want the esoteric explanation.
Thanks, Guys.
And why doesn't this thread have more flags? Support the OP.edit on 10-8-2011 by Frater210 because: Flag it