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posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 01:28 AM
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[edit on 04/8/18 by GradyPhilpott]




posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:29 AM
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Thanks for sharing
. Though there were a few of things that bothered me a little bit about your story. You mentioned how your father in law avoids the subject of ETs, Project Preserve Destiny etc everytime you bring it up, though it certainly seems to me he's constantly leaking classified information, almost as if he had a need to share his knowledge. I'm also curious as to exactly what makes you think you have a Grey on your hands; you did say you hadn't really seen the entity, right? Another thing that kind of bothers me is the fact that you claim you're afraid of saying to much "due to the possible consequences", while you've certainly said quite a bit to catch my and everybody else's interest. Everytime someone start telling a fantastic story, then claim they're afraid of saying more because of the possibile consequences - right when it's getting interesting, it just makes my sceptic-alarm go haywire.

Hope you don't take offence from my scepticism, because I feel it's important not to dismiss someone's claims just because they sound far-fetched.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by everlastingnoitall
well, corporeal or not, it does exhibit many tendencies and behaviors of a 'physically present' entity of some sort. The conundrum is that even though we can sense, and sometimes 'see' it in a manner of speaking, we cannot touch it. It seems to anticipate response and moves very fast to prevent contact.


Forgive me for being so sceptical in this post. I am not trying to attack you or your story, but I do have some problems with this.

E.g. You said in an earlier post that this thing has been seen to trip over furniture. Yet, you say above that it moves fast enough to get out of the way when you try to contact it physically? That doesn't sound right to me. On the one hand, it appears to have either poor sight or none at all, yet it has quick enough reflexes to move away from you?

Also you mentioned that your wife suffered from migraines and kept seeing things out of the corner of her eye. I thought this was a symptom of migraine anyway? I certainly is whenever I've had one. The same paragraph mentions that she wakes at night having lost time. To be honest, I couldn't tell you what time it is when I wake at night. It's inherantly disorienting.

Please don't take offense, but I feel that some of the things you have described can be easily explained away as normal occurences and coincidence.

Footage, sound recordings, statements from independent witnesses or clear photos of this thing would help reinforce what you are claiming to have experienced.

Welcome to ATS by the way


Cheers,
Grey Pilgrim



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 03:02 AM
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Originally posted by Durden
Thanks for sharing
. Though there were a few of things that bothered me a little bit about your story. You mentioned how your father in law avoids the subject of ETs, Project Preserve Destiny etc everytime you bring it up, though it certainly seems to me he's constantly leaking classified information, almost as if he had a need to share his knowledge. I'm also curious as to exactly what makes you think you have a Grey on your hands; you did say you hadn't really seen the entity, right? Another thing that kind of bothers me is the fact that you claim you're afraid of saying to much "due to the possible consequences", while you've certainly said quite a bit to catch my and everybody else's interest. Everytime someone start telling a fantastic story, then claim they're afraid of saying more because of the possibile consequences - right when it's getting interesting, it just makes my sceptic-alarm go haywire.

Hope you don't take offence from my scepticism, because I feel it's important not to dismiss someone's claims just because they sound far-fetched.


I didn't see this post when I was writing mine! I agree. My sceptic alarm started ringing too.

I didn't want to pull the whole post to pieces bit by bit as I didn't want to sound like I was just attacking for the sake of it. That wasn't my intention at all.

Cheers,
Grey Pilgrim.


XL5

posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 03:59 AM
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If this thing plays with toys and raids the fridge, what toys and food does it like? If it does these things then get a white board and ask it a question and leave the marker there!



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 08:10 AM
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What's 'EBE'?

You have said you've seen this thign play with objects and eat food out of the fridge? Why don't you have a decent video camera then, or a film photo-camera?

This disease your wife has that affects her eyes, do you have it also? Who has seen the 'distortions', you or your wife?

Your father-in-law, he is supposed to know/be involved in paranormal events; have you guys told him about this 'visitor'? I mean, you seem to talk to him about this sort of stuff anyway, what does he think about having one in his daughters house? Because, even if he is uncomfortable with it, I would expect that if he really thought something was going on, then he would want to know about that.


The natural mother has since been bouncing in and out of mental institutions and was diagnosed as a manic depressive with severe bipolar disorder, which was how he got custody of the children.

Just alot of cooincidental events surrounding this whole thing and the more we uncover about these so called 'conspiracies', the wierder things around the house get and the more headaches and lost time events my wife experiences.


Has your wife been examined by a psyhciatrist? Things like bipolar disorder have genetic components and can definitely be 'inherited'. An 'imbalance' in brain chemistry would certainly explain some of these happenings, not all but some. Is there any other history of mental illness involved here?



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 08:50 AM
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good story but there are some things you can do.
leave a webcam going on all day, leave a tape recorder playing all day/night, set up a video camera with night vision upstairs since thats where you kids claim the monster is.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 09:24 AM
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okay, I see in reading my posts why the skeptic meter goes off. I also see the apparent inconsistency in the posts. Forgive me. I'm not as well educatred as many of you seem to be, and I have trouble correctly organizing my thoughts. As far as the 'scared to reveal too much', i guess that's out the window, although what that really means is I need to share the story, but I am afraid of saying the wrong thing in front of the wrong person. Oh well

Yes, my father in law tries to avoid the subject. However, he does tend to find ways of revealing tidbits of info now and then, almost as if, like me, he has a burning desire to share his experience.

How did we come to suspect a Grey/ EBE (extrasolar biological entity)?

Mostly from the shape of the shadows we have seen at various times throughout the history of this thing combined with the lack of typical 'ghost' behaviors (ie: moving through solid objects and the like). For instance, I came home from being out over the road for a few days ( I drive a truck) and my wife told me about an incident where she had been lying on the couch after sending my kid to bed. On the wall at the bottom of the stairs appeared a shadow (as if someone was standing at the top and the light behind them/it cast the shadow down the stairs and against the wall. She thought it was my son getting up from bed, but when she got up to check, there was noone there, although the shadow remained and the shimmer (as if using the devices akin to Halo described earlier) remained at the top of the stairs. Afraid to go up and check herself, she laid back down. The shadow remained for several minutes, and she finally called out to it to go away and 'go lay down or something', at which point the shadow dissappeared. She described the shadow as having a very thin body and appendages, but a large, bulbous head.

We have tried to catch it on our webcam, but whatever it is seems to know about our attempts and will not ever become active downstairs when we try. We are actually trying to find a good tripod to set our digicam up in the upper floor to try to get it on film. I will post what we find, if anything.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by everlastingnoitall

And no, I do not have any animals. Not a big fan of pets. We have tried a cat twice in the last four years. They last about three months or so, then start going crazy (running at top speed for hours on end, running into walls and falling off of objects, erratic changes to eating and urination habits, odd meowing and hissing, really strange stuff, so we gave up)


O.K. so the "cat thing" is a player.
Here's two possibilities depending on your particular inclination:

1- cats 'tend' to lay/sleep in the same places according to "psyhcic" types because of ley line (magnetic or spiritual lines that seldom move). Any interruption in these lines caused by supernatural phenomena would tend to unsettle the cat causing much distress.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Ley linesare alignments of a number of places of geographical interest, such as ancient megaliths. Their existence was first suggested in 1921 by the amateur archaeologist Alfred Watkins, whose book The Old Straight Track first brought the phenomenon to the attention of the wider public.

2- something "other than human" exists in your house. This could be induced (the black van) or inherent (the apparition). In either case the cats natural inclinations would be upset. One additional note is the fact that cats "see" things humans do not.

Cats have excellent nocturnal and diurnal vision; an organ called the tapetum lucidum is responsible for their strong low-light vision, as well as for the varied colours of cats' eyes in flash photographs. As with most carnivores their eyes are both forward facing affording depth perception at the expense of field of view. Cats are weakly trichromatic.

Cats have a third eyelid, which is a thin cover that appears when you open the cat's eyelid. This is called the nictitating membrane. If a cat is sick, this membrane will partially close. This is a sign that the cat needs immediate veterinary attention. Sometimes, however, if your cat is very sleepy and happy, they will show this membrane.


As fanciful as it may seem, please read the links to cats. You will find it interesting with some application to your problem(s) per chance.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:40 PM
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wow, what an excellent story. i'm skeptical also, just because this outstanding insident being your first post, but am also intriguied into believing it. since the webcam and spray paint/marking ideas are not valid any longer, why not wait until you have the house to yourself some night and put flour all over the flours. sure it would be a mess, but you may discover something and after having to put up with such a disturbing problem, i'm sure running the vacuum cleaner wouldn't be a problem



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:55 PM
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Is your wife sure this is new? I have had something with me all my life. From childhood...there have been times in my life, especially in my childhood, that without it, I don't think I would of make it through. It has helped me, but it is also annoying at times...it too used to "play" with things....many of those in my family have similar "something's" with them....perhaps this is so with your wife.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 02:59 PM
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Interesting idea (the flour). Hadn't thought of it.

I'm trying to capture it on my digicam, but so far no luck. Part of the problem is (I think), that digicams are not as sensitive to 'paranormal' or 'emp' emissions as regular cams, because of the lack of film. I am trying though ( I haven't owned a film camera in a few years now). I may have to resort to trying to rent or find a traditional old style videocam to see if anything turns up there. I am focusing primarily upstairs, because that's where the most activity takes place.

And on the missing time issues my wife experiences:

Usually those happen during the day, not at night. She claims she'll be lying down on the couch watching a program while the kid is over at a friend's or otherwise not around, and the next thing she'll remember is the television being on the same channel, but an entirely different program on.

I don't think I really expect a whole lot of people to believe me, being my first topic and all (I've been reading the site for awhile now, though), but I just wanted somewhere to post my experience, as best I can explain with my limited knowledge, and just 'vent'. For that, I thank all of ATS



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 03:06 PM
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I was writing when you posted, LadyV.

She claims it is relatively new, starting about the time of my arrival into her life, about fifteen years ago.

However, she has been the victim (or benefactor, if that term better fits) of odd 'coincidences' throughout her life

For instance, when she was a small child, and had a basement on her house, her stepmother was very pregnant with my wife's sister adn my wife was playing on one of those worm toys you ride, I hope you know what I mean. She rolled a bit too far and tumbled down the stairs. At the end of the stairs was a concrete wall, with barely enough room for an adult to turn off of the stairs without bumping into it. As she neared the bottom, still falling and tumbling, her dad reached out and grabbed her just before she hit the wall . He happened to be downstairs working on the washer, which had broken even though only about a month old at the time. He claims he didn't even look up, just sensed her falling and grabbe dher just in time.

The coincidence, IMHO, is that a new appliance broke, requiring him to be there fixing it at just the time when she had her tumble. This also sparked labor and delivery in my mother in law, who was almost two weeks overdue at that point and whose doctor, for whatever reason, would not induce labor until three weeks had passed. (early 70's)



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 03:42 PM
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everlastingnoitall, I suggested to you the emp, infrared, and visual cams, and I also suggested getting a show like mythbusters to cover the expenses. If you cover every angle in your house there is no way this things can get away unnoticed. Combine this with the flour and paintball and you've got a very good chance of finding it. If your digicam doesn't capture very well, that supports my thoery that its shielding device emits strong EM radiation. Does this thing hang around where your computer is? If so, then do you ever have odd glitches or your monitor becoming fuzzy or anything else odd?

If you are uncomfortable with having strangers come into your home to find eveidence I understand, especially if you think this thing is protecting you. But this will further throw doubt on your story for some. Hard evidence is crucial.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 03:52 PM
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I assume you have a young son as you say this entity/being has been observed playing with his toys. Can I ask if you are scared for your wife and son's well being?

I have a 2 year old son and if I knew a possible physical being was roaming around the house at will I have to confess I would be taking to it with a baseball bat pronto. Even if you have a strong feeling this being is looking after you I can't imagine any parent taking the gamble with their child's life.

Maybe it is just me but how the hell can you sleep at night if you believe in what you are telling us? If it is a non-physical being then you can't do much but sit and worry but from the van etc maybe you are right to guess it is a physical being and you should verify its intentions one way or the other before it is too late.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by everlastingnoitall


For instance, when she was a small child, and had a basement on her house, her stepmother was very pregnant with my wife's sister adn my wife was playing on one of those worm toys you ride, I hope you know what I mean. She rolled a bit too far and tumbled down the stairs. At the end of the stairs was a concrete wall, with barely enough room for an adult to turn off of the stairs without bumping into it. As she neared the bottom, still falling and tumbling, her dad reached out and grabbed her just before she hit the wall . He happened to be downstairs working on the washer, which had broken even though only about a month old at the time. He claims he didn't even look up, just sensed her falling and grabbe dher just in time.

The coincidence, IMHO, is that a new appliance broke, requiring him to be there fixing it at just the time when she had her tumble. This also sparked labor and delivery in my mother in law, who was almost two weeks overdue at that point and whose doctor, for whatever reason, would not induce labor until three weeks had passed. (early 70's)


I have done similar, I have told this here before... I have also moved one of my children out harms way with my mind. To shorten the incident. He was playing where he shouldn't of been on my sisters farm, I looked out the window and had a vision of my BIL bush hogging the filed about to hit my youngest...I closed my eyes and just sorta swept him away. I don't know how I did it, I just did.....then I ran out the door down to the back of the barn, where my BIL was white and scared to death fussing at him about being where he wasn't supposed to be. He said he was playing and it was like a big wind knocking him out of the way of the tractor. This is something that comes from her father, I would strongly suggest you sit down and talk to her dad, uncomfortable or not...and find out what's going on...



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 04:38 PM
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Maybe your partner's father agreed with the government to allow testing for EBE incounter reactions to see how humans would react with something paranormal in your house.



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 04:42 PM
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mrdependable:

I cannot explain why, but none of us have ever felt threatened. I don't know how, but both I and my wife 'just know' we are not in any danger (at least not from whatever this is). I talk to it on occasion, but never get a response, other than occasional behavioral change when it is being particularly active and I ask it to stop or go to a different area of the house. My wife cannot talk to it. Every time she has tried she has come down with an incredible headache. She does on occasion report hearing a 'whispering or voice like a chorus of people' just on the edge of hearing that she cannot quite understand what is being said.

LadyV:

I am absolutely positive this comes from the father, whether metaphysical, spiritual, or some biological EBE or other entity. He is a tough person to pin down and get clear answers from. Mostly we try to piece together the tidbits he drops into conversation now and again. I am working on developing a good way to approach him, maybe ask him what he knows of the Projects 'Preserve Destiny' and 'Blue Beam' or the like. We'll see. in the mean time, I am uncomfortable telling anyone I am in real life contact with (not on net) because much of our friends and family are very religious (christian) and the only time we ever tried, we had an attempted excorcism forced on us. As far as gettign a paranormal investigator or such, that's out. My wife also suffers from extreme social anxiety disorder and cannot hardly use the phone, let alone let a stranger in her home. Needless to say, we don't throw many parties (lol)


We have actually started to suspect, from her father's military service record and things that we have uncovered and odd occurances that she may either have a genetic alteration that is being monitored or other special ability not yet fully realized. It hasn't really affected my son, other than giving him incredible intuition and intelligence (he is reading for instance at senior/high school level at eight years old and has an incredibly keen grasp of mathematics.)



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 05:33 PM
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I can't see why digital cameras should be less 'sensitive' than film cameras. Even if they were for some mysterious reason, why not get a disposable camera, they're cheap enough.

Lady V, you noted that you have had similar experiences, have you been able to get any of this stuff on film, or anyone in your family?

[edited to add:]

Oh one more thing, I noticed talk of spray paint, flour and the like, to coat the invisible entity. Well, those would be messy even if the thing does exist. Try silly string. Heck, at least it'll be fun if you aren't succesful!

[edit on 18-8-2004 by Nygdan]



posted on Aug, 18 2004 @ 05:41 PM
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Nygdan, best idea ever! I award you one cool point! (anyone get that reference, U2U me).

Silly string may be the best yet. At least it would be fun, good suggestion.

Regarding the camera. Film cameras work by capturing the light on photosensitive film, which is why they are able to pick up things not readily visible to the human eye.

It is my understanding that digicams work in the same spectrum and frequency range as the human eye, so without serious manipulation, emp emmissions, infrared, and the like would not be readily visible to digicams, alike the nearly impossible visualisation of those wavelengths by the human eye.

Anyone with more knowledge of the digicam universe feel free to correct me and offer a suggestion.





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