2011 Global Stock Market Collapse Watch

Have any of you guys noticed just how exhausted the people on the news look? CNBC, Fox Business, CNN, they just look exhausted. It's sort of covered up with make up, but you can still see through it. And I was just watching The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, and his eyes were bloodshot.

Just goes to show, this is probably a very stressful issue.

reply to post by mossme89


it is for the folks who work on wall street. a friend of mine just bailed on dinner tonight and had to cancel a few personal appointments as well, thanks to the ever changing dow futures.

reply to post by Crakeur


Oy, I know. I've had to watch my portfolio like a hawk, even though I'm mostly short. So where do you think we go from here? There doesn't seem to be much good news, but think we could break the lows from earlier this week?

reply to post by mossme89


the pattern has been drop, increase and recover most of the drop, bigger drop.

At this point, nothing would surprise me but we've been on a steady decline for about a month now and I don't expect the course to change. As I've said, to me, it looks like day traders and vultures taking quick profits. thus, tomorrow could be another downer which would give the vultures and day traders a chance to pop in again on monday. I wouldn't be surprised if the same folks buying at the open this morning aren't shorting those stocks at the end of the day today, creating that drop from the 500+ mark to the 400+ close

I don´t know exactly what it means for the Markets,but i know this can´t be good...

Belgium, France, Italy, Spain Overrule European Regulator, To Impose Standalone Short-Selling Bans

reply to post by Shenon


Hmm... But I would think that would be a good thing, because it would stop people from shorting & driving the market even lower.

Originally posted by mossme89
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Hmm... But I would think that would be a good thing, because it would stop people from shorting & driving the market even lower.

Yeah,but from what i understand,this move signals the Markets that something is very wrong...and what happens after the ban is lifted (that ban seems to be in effect for 15 Days)?

Edit: Here it is: Official Statement From French Regulator On 15 Day Financial Short Selling Ban (Full Statements on ZeroHedge)

The 15 day short selling ban (which appears to include all shorts, not just naked ones), includes the following names: April Group, Axa, BNP Paribas, CIC, CNP Assurances, Crédit Agricole, Euler Hermès, Natixis, Paris Ré, Scor, Société Générale. We wonder whether the French AMF is also aware that one can just as easily create identical synthetic shorts by buying puts and selling calls on the names in question or maybe nobody in the French regulatory body has graduated beyond cash products and into derivatives. And the kicker, August 26 just went supernova, as this is the day the short selling ban expires, the BEA reports the second, sub 1% GDP revision, and Bernanke presents his 2011 Jackson Hole keynote speech.

So,August 26 is DoomsDay

reply to post by Shenon


The scary thing is you might be right. Bernanke is having a big meeting on August 26th

When Bernanke speaks at the Fed's Jackson Hole, Wyo., meeting Aug. 26, he could conceivably launch a real shock-and-awe stimulus program. If you go back a year, when Bernanke first announced QE2 at Jackson Hole, sources tell me that the original debate over the quantity of bond purchases had a $2 trillion balance-sheet expansion on the table. Inflation hawks beat that number back to $600 billion. But now the rest of that $2 trillion -- or $1.4 trillion -- could conceivably be on the table for a new QE3 announcement by the Fed.

www.realclearpolitics.com...

Corporations have an estimated 2 trillion in cash. Many corporate buybacks were initiated today and we saw the market go up. You can verify what I am saying with a search engine and Buyback + date. It is possible the fed has essentially signaled to the strong corporations that you will need to bailout yourselves.

I posted on this option days ago and it seems that it is happening. In a round about way this is yet another robbery of people invested in the markets. It was said during 2009 this same option was used as well for many companies which over time lead them to having 2 trillion (much of which got there due to bailouts low interest rates etc).

I suppose you could say they are now playing the market with your monies. They are shaking investors out and then building up their own stocks and suckering new ones in.

Add: I am not saying they caused this on purpose, I am saying they are taking advantage of it very much so.

reply to post by Crakeur


As you mentioned before, companies are repurchasing their stocks in order to tank through the incoming hard times. Here is a link showing some of the company stock buy backs. Mind you this is the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure there are large corporations doing the same thing. It would explain the rapid spurts of growth on the up days and the bottoming out on the other days. Companies buy their stocks back, showing increased trade volumes and an active market purchase. On them badly diving down days, it's Ben and Tim throwing money at the system again. Yes gold is down, but is still pushing the $1800 mark, which tells me investments are still quite volatile and chaotic.
If I had a profitable business and these crunch times came along, I would be buying my stocks back before they bottomed out, even if I were to take a $5000 loss in buyback versus losing $50000 in market selloffs. I could use that extra $45000 to keep my employees on a little longer. But then again, I never went to business school at Hahvud and learned the proper indoctrinated business etiquete.

reply to post by Crakeur


I've never shorted stocks, but have day traded looking for opportunities and channeling stocks for short to medium term investments. For me this was preferable to just sitting in cash or wringing my hands.

But I think it's a little simplistic to blame the short sellers for all the markets woes. Germany banned short selling over a year ago, and even without short selling, the German DAX performed worse than the DOW over the last five days.

DOW is the red line:

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What's worse is that:

The International Monetary Fund issued a report in August 2010 saying that the German government's unilateral ban on some kinds of naked shorting succeeded only in impeding the markets. It said the ban “did relatively little to support the targeted institutions’ underlying stock prices, while liquidity dropped and volatility rose substantially.” The IMF said there was no strong evidence that stock prices fell because of shorting.[63]

Link

I posted a link to an article a couple pages back, but a picture is worth a thousand words at this point

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Dark Pools of Liquidity and toxic Mortgage Backed Securities seem to be a major new component in the bailout plan, along with empty Treasuries. This is what is keeping Wall Street so rich, and us so poor.

reply to post by Nicolas Flamel


they banned naked short selling, not short selling in its entirety. there is a difference.

besides, I didn't blame the shorts. I said the day traders were buying and dumping at the end of the day and then, either they, or others, were shorting it the next day

The stock market is still in an uptrend - sort of - although the 200-day moving average is just now starting to tick down.

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The bull move from 2009 has been less than convincing in that it has been on a rather lackluster volume, especially compared to the big move from 2004-7. Notice how the volume trends down since last summer and then it sells off now in heavy volume.

That drop to 1100 is very bearish and most likely portends lower levels. We´ll probably see further bounces and convulsions though, before that happens.

George Soros says Merkel (Germany) is at fault for the worsening Euro-Crisis...I can´t deny that she and her "Experts" have something to do with it,because most of the Time they don´t (want to) see where this is going in the End.

Germany Must Defend the Euro

The euro crisis had its origin in German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s decision, taken in the aftermath of Lehman Brothers’ default in September 2008, that the guarantee against further defaults should come not from the European Union, but from each country separately. And it was German procrastination that aggravated the Greek crisis and caused the contagion that turned it into an existential crisis for Europe.

I can see where this is going...the Market already wounded France,now they are reloading for a Shot at Germany

And Today The Markets are up thanks to the fake numbers

I don´t think there´s much of a conviction in stocks today.

They´re piling heavily into bonds.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch.com) — A gauge of consumer sentiment tumbled in August to the lowest level since May 1980, according to a report released Friday, as a volatile stock market, weak employment and worries about federal debt took their toll.

Consumer sentiment dropped to 54.9 from 63.7 in July, according to preliminary University of Michigan/Thomson Reuters index released Friday

This hints to me that consumers and many day traders are out of the loop now. This is just central banks and stock markets all trading collaterally with each other (i.e govts and corporations buying bank stocks, and then borrowing to re-invest).

somehow i've managed to avoid all those high volitility equities and funds...

example my gold fund versus Vanguard Gold over the last 9 days, which includes this so called 'crash'

NAV: My holdings only 'crashed' or 'rose' by $1.28 over the last 8 days

21.69
21.98(+)
21.22
21.00
20.87
20.70(-)
21.39
21.87
21.96

NAV @ Vanguard (VGPMX) had a volitility of price of $4.07 in the same period.

26.36(+)
25.93
26.09
24.13
23.74
22.29(-)
23.85
23.42
24.58

IF i tracked TGLDX the price would be even more dramatic 88.58 - 81.38 = $ 7.20 range

it seems the traders & speculators buy into the high-risk equities for the potential returns
myself, i desire to build wealth over the liong haul... so let the DOW & NASDAQ soar like a meteorite i say

By now, I hope the bigger picture would be clearer to many, besides just stock gamblers.

There is an unintentional and backfired war being played out right now between Banksters,Coporations and an awakened humanity.

Banksters had continually sought to enslave mankind using debts and globalisation as the instruments of control, getting many into debts. Even the middle classes are not spared, for they are most dangerous of the lot whom have the power to change with their education and morality. They only seek to live in peace, with a measure of prosperity that hurts no one else. Thus the middle class had been enticed to gamble their hard earn monies, to be robbed and turned into slaves. The reality was visible when hundred thousands middle classes lived in tents in rich US in '08, a horror.....

The banksters knew their gambles are unsustainable with forcing central banks to continually print monies, and if not enough, to further monetise debts by issue treasury notes, NOT of rich nations, but even nations such as greece or ireland that do not have the critical human capital and resources to make good those loans.

Thus, a need to prevent US from achieving a raise in debt ceiling, to stop printing notes and start paying debts so that the banksters can recoup their losses in other poor nations. With rich USA paying debts, starving their citizens, banksters and globalised corps can sit back, enjoy the sun and watch the money rolling in.

Unfortunately, there are forces higher than them, for more intelligent than them at work. The Banksters and Corporations plan to make americans pay backfired. Plan B to use the bootlicking S&P to downgrade USA ratings failed. And started a general ROUT on the casino stockmarket by the awakened middle classes, whom formed the BULK of players in the market, to be fools no more.

Germany for once had the conscience and knew the reality of the situation and had stopped supporting ECB for the sake of her own sovereign people. France's leaders are incapable of such conscience. England, the capital of banksters, had long abandoned her own people and is now paying the price of social instability affected by the hideous austerity drive that had done MORE HARM than the rioter ever could.

Plan C by banksters and Corporations is to buy their own stocks now, when the govs are no longer propping it up, in the hope that the gamblers would come back.

However, this is the best time by the united middle classes stock players to teach the banksters and corporations the greatest lesson of millenia, by going short and grab every dollar back from propping up and let the entire casino collapse. We, the sovereign humankind, had never needed or wanted unconscionable wealth that rob others, for we may end up robbed instead. We only seek to live and love in peace, but denied by the banksters and corporations with their nefarious use of money to enslave us all.

DO NOT ban short selling if govs care about the WILL of their sovereign People. They had been lied and robbed enough. Even commie China had made use of the casino to rob their own people and the world. They prop up their markets with borrowed funds and is much worse than greece's non-existant capability to pay back.

The next few days will determine who wins or loses. But in anycase, the picture will be more clearer for all to see how govs behave and which side they truly stand on.



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