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2011 Global Stock Market Collapse Watch

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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Is it just me or does it feel as though the rally on the market, this morning for example, is just a manipulation to keep the entire market from free-falling?

It seems to me that that the MSM is saying that Sysco's numbers alone are the reason everyone is buying...market wide, yet there is other financial news today that should scare people!




posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 09:52 AM
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The MSM is part of the puppet project to keep the crumbling global economy 'on the lighter side' of the news. If they stopped lying and told the truth about the markets, they would be fired and there would be panic in the streets (which are harder to control). Some folks are far too insulated from the truth that denial is the only course of sanity.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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I know little about economics, investments, financial systems or any of that rubbish other than I try to run my life on a balance based on reality.

Here’s what I see going on. Seems so simple to me. I’d laugh about it if it wasn’t such a freakin’ shame.

Those responsible from time-to-time for reporting data such as the employment numbers seem to truly believe that what they are reporting represents the honest picture of how things are.

Take those employment statistics, for example. The people who suck the tax dollars out of your weekly stipend report unemployment to be floating around the nine percent mark while others using differing methodology peg it to be between 16 and 17 percent.

Those on the street who see their neighbors, family, friends or former colleagues out of work believe the latter to be true yet those who have the most influence on the market view the former as accurate.

The disparity between the two is the classic and real problem we face in turning this thing around. The business community and investors see these numbers and its whoop-de-party time . Things are getting better . . . salvation is upon us . . . rejoice with a false pretense boost in share prices . . . up goes the market, business values go up, investors ride the wave until something seemingly out of the blue transpires and those investors sell off, pocketing the gravy. Businesses also profit off these valuation increases as they’re often their own largest shareholders. All’s well until the next ‘revelation’ of something everyone on the street saw coming to which those in the power seats turn a blind eye until crap hits the oscillator.

Again, at ground zero, the news is often something that really isn’t news . . . just a reminder of the reality. Did everyone know that the housing market was a bomb waiting to happen . . . yeah . . . as long as you could sign a paper, you got a mortgage . . . what reasonable minded person can’t see that such fiscal chicanery isn’t an economic time bomb. Was building profits on that house of cards a leaning tower of economic stupidity that even the most novice of investors saw coming?

The supposed smart folk had the audacity to claim they didn’t see it coming. Jesus H . . . Helen Keller could have seen that one coming. The reality is that they pushed the envelope to rape the greatest level of profitability out of all of us and they took the money in profits, bonuses, payouts, leveraged buyouts and they ran.

When there wasn’t enough left after the collapse to save the foundation, we as taxpayers had to shore things up so they could continue their stupidity driven shell game.

In reality, did they change a thing . . . fix a thing . . . shore up their own houses . . .

No.

In the past four or five years have those investors typically reinvested in that company? For the most part, no. They look for the next host upon which their parasitic pocketbooks can latch and the cycle repeats.

Typically, in the past four or five years, have those businesses reinvested the ‘gravy’ . . . it would appear not or at least not in any meaningful way.

But, for those at ground zero in this economic game of ‘Terminator’ there’s the dull reality that unemployment is pretty much double what is reported and everyone’s hanging on to whatever they can hang on to in terms of money. And for many, as shown in the $1,000 emergency fund thread ongoing elsewhere here, that hold is at best tenuous. They’re one good economic fart away from the poor house.

So, investors (usually fund management teams, the muckity-mucks of the world and investment houses) siphon off their share and stash it . . . businesses get their share and stash it and those who are still gainfully employed are taking what’s left and trying to hang on to the good old western civilization way of life.

In the not too distant future, more ‘truths’ will be revealed and the system will continue to crumble, but not without the odd market bounce here and there that will allow the players of the cycle to draculize the last few drops out of it until there’s nothing left but a corpse.

Welcome to my little view of our cannibalistic society and where I see it going from here.

Again, it’s based on nothing but my little view.

Just had to vent.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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USA do not need to print anymore US dollars, cos it is flushed with cash right now when most dump their dollars in safe havens, which USA is one of them. Rule of law, intelligent productive human capital and plenty of resources of its own to pay off anything over time.

I doubt QE3 will be invoked as there's plenty of funds in USA right now. Nothing to gloat about truly, because the reality is that the world's economy is bad shape. Mismanagement of the highest orders by they banking corps, unconscionable privatising of profits for oneself by corporations had caused this dramatic loss of confidence by the billions of retalil investors whom formed the baulk of investors made gullible gamblers on the casino of stock exchages around the world, and are now wisening up fast, and pulling out their funds into safe havens.

Bernake had made a cautious hands off policy of propping up the market. He had instead kept the interest rate at 0% instead. But unfortunately for ECB, they are trying foolishly to prop up the market. I pity the european common men, who will be the ones made to pay for this insane generousity if not stupidity by the ECB,

This attack on the casino is PRE-MEDITATED. It had all been timed and planned well in advance should USA gets the chance to raise its debt ceiling. Someone or somegroup is not happy, and led by S&P to start the opening salvo, which laughably, backfired. Instead of investors running away from US treasuries, many are flocking to take it up, and are even putting up their hoarded funds in US banks that does not give interest but guarantees capital returns, and are even paying for such priviledges.

It had even started a run on the casino, despite their efforts to shore it up, but unfortunately, the awakened investors are getting out of the shell game finallly.

Secondly, the attack was made when major parliaments and congress are away to their annual vacations. Most would not return back to uphold political tradition and thus would not be able to meaningfully pass legislations.

Unfortunately for that attackers, there are other forces at work that had forced legislatives back. At this stage of the game, the attackers plan had failed and are only awaiting for their balls to be hung by end of the week or by early next week, when it will be over.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
This attack on the casino is PRE-MEDITATED. It had all been timed and planned well in advance should USA gets the chance to raise its debt ceiling. Someone or somegroup is not happy, and led by S&P to start the opening salvo, which laughably, backfired.


One can only guess at who the attackers are. At the end of the day when the cards fall and the dust settles we will soon find out.

We can guess who the attackers are if there's another bit of "bad news" that causes the investors to panic again and the gains we're seeing now in the market are wiped out as they were yesterday.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 10:59 AM
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Fed is pumping $200B a month into the markets. It's been going on since January.

Fed buying $25B/Mo after QE2



While the $600 billion purchase program, known as QE2, winds down, the Fed said June 22 that it will continue to buy Treasuries with proceeds from the maturing debt it currently owns. That could mean purchases of as much as $300 billion of government debt over the next 12 months without adding money to the financial system.

The central bank, which injected $2.3 trillion into the financial system after the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in September 2008, will continue buying Treasuries to keep market rates down as the economy slows.


So, we're just taking money out of our left pocket and putting it into the right pocket and calling it double.



In a Bloomberg survey of 58 economists June 14-17, 79 percent said Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke will sustain the central bank’s balance sheet at current levels until the fourth quarter, compared with 52 percent in April. The Fed said June 22 its goal is to hold assets at $2.654 trillion.


So now we see that Bernanke IS the central bank, and Geithner is the repugnant gold mine shyster.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by OuttaTime
Fed is pumping $200B a month into the markets. It's been going on since January.


There's a difference between 'pumping $200b a mth into the markets' and pumping '$200B a month now into the casiono wall street'.

Ultimately, the economic markets need the $200 billion a month pumping to replace those that had been hoarded up at home, locked away in vaults or moving daily on the casinos.

But now, with the hoarded funds out of markets and kept in vaulted banks with US guarantees, QE3 may not be necessary, except for Europe Central Bank which may have to print more unbacked notes, as the confidence is already lost in Europe and funds had fled. Even miser China had jumped ship out of Euros.


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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101

Originally posted by OuttaTime
Fed is pumping $200B a month into the markets. It's been going on since January.


There's a difference between 'pumping $200b a mth into the markets' and pumping '$200B a month now into the casiono wall street'.

Ultimately, the economic markets need the $200 billion a month pumping to replace those that had been hoarded up at home, locked away in vaults or moving daily on the casinos.

But now, with the hoarded funds out of markets and kept in vaulted banks with US guarantees, QE3 may not be necessary, except for Europe Central Bank which may have to print more unbacked notes, as the confidence is already lost in Europe and funds had fled. Even miser China had jumped ship out of Euros.


edit on 11-8-2011 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)


Yep. They're robbing Peter to pay Paul, but since Peter is already broke, Paul gave him a bag of money and took it back, along with interest Peter can't afford either. Ever since the '08 collapse, smaller and midsize banks are out of the loop. It's all just Govt Sachs and the Fed lending and borrowing from each other (using Wall St as the middleman). It seems as though the money hurricane is in the upper atmosphere, and it will hit ground soon enough.

What is saddest in the whole scenario is the fact that people are flocking to Treasuries... investing in the governments that created this debacle. We're funding the enemy in doing this.
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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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This becoming such a joke
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Unemployment Applications: 4-Month Low


ya i am sure it is




The four-week average, a less-volatile figure, fell to 405,000, its sixth straight decline. That suggests that applications are decreasing over time. Applications fell in February to 375,000, reflecting healthy job growth. But they soared to an eight-month high of 478,000 in late April, and have declined slowly since then. Read more: www.time.com...



They just created this story just so the markets can stay from free falling.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
This becoming such a joke
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Unemployment Applications: 4-Month Low


ya i am sure it is




The four-week average, a less-volatile figure, fell to 405,000, its sixth straight decline. That suggests that applications are decreasing over time. Applications fell in February to 375,000, reflecting healthy job growth. But they soared to an eight-month high of 478,000 in late April, and have declined slowly since then. Read more: www.time.com...



They just created this story just so the markets can stay from free falling.


Yeah they fell because people are giving up after thousands of them filled out and no response at all. I know I am one of them...



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Well, all I know is my 401k dropped 6.5% in the last week!
That is a huge chunk! I'm about to move it to something a littler safer, at least keep it from dropping in value any further!



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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so, how do you get the value of your company back up in a crappy, down market?

you buy more stock in your company. When an insider wants to buy stock in their company, they have to follow certain procedures to alert the public that they are buying (or selling if that is the case). So, as the markets drop, and there are more companies reporting new lows than highs, how can the markets be up?

Simple, insiders announce they are buying stock in their company, the large purchases not only help fuel an increase but the public sees these insider purchases as faith in the companies and they follow suit.

Here's what the public isn't thinking about:

It's in the insider's best interest to buy their stock, even if they know it's going to, eventually, drop. It helps keep their company value up which, in turn with their own devotion to the price, will help them keep their job. Also, it should be noted, these are high level execs who got their stock at steep discounts (options) as a means of compensation for their work. So, when Gorman buys 175,000 shares of Morgan Stanley stock, he's not, necessarily, doing it because he thinks he's going to make money in the long term. No, he's just trying to keep the short term value higher. He lost hundreds of millions of dollars of paper net worth this week and his company lost more so this propping up of the pricing is meant to placate the shareholders who will see his personal purchase and, hopefully, not call for his head, when the stock drops further

www.bloomberg.com...
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posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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494 of the S&P 500 up now, led by WSJ parent company News Corp., up 20%.


blogs.wsj.com...

Hmm. How convenient. Since they represent most of the MSM, what they print heavily affects the market. They are probably getting more wealthy off of every volatile market swing.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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Plunge Protection Team working OT these days it seems.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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the execs at the S&P companies are buying their own stock, driving the prices up.

when they stop, down they'll go again.

If you look at the way the markets have been moving of late, big drop, recovery, big drop... we should see a drop again tomorrow as the day traders take their profits.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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President Obama is on TV NOW blaming everything on the republicans.

"This was a self-inflicted wound"

Didn't have to happen, if those in congress had been able to compromise.

This should make things much better now.





posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:02 PM
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Could be a warning sign:

Today´s auction of 30-year Bonds drew a bid-to-cover of 2.08, dollar demand of $33.3 billion, and an indirect bidder participation rate of 12.2%. For comparison, the prior auction drew a bid-to-cover ratio of 2.80, dollar demand of $36.4 billion, and an indirect bidder rate of 37.8%. An average of the past six auctions results in a bid-to-cover of 2.70, dollar demand of $37.6 billion, and an indirect bidder rate of 40.0%.

The collapse in indirect bidder participation (foreign central banks) is probably for the most part due to the downgrade - and the ridiculously low yield.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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so, only the republicans wouldn't compromise? Obama sounds more and more like my 6 year old when he's told he can't have his way



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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No doubt the Dow will drop down by half its gains on this speech.



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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I doubt it, but he made it very clear in a long and convoluted way that he is demanding a raise in taxes to ultimately fix the fiscal problems "long term" and seems to ignorantly believe that the best way to create jobs is to allocate more BILLIONS for infrastructure projects that would create 10s of thousands of jobs and put Americans back to work.


It may take a while, but the message that higher taxes are required for any recovery will eventually have some impact.





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