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Londons BURNING!

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posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:27 PM

Originally posted by freethinker123
And so no surprises here yesterday we had lots of people stating that this Duggan guy killed by the police had shot at the police, turns out none of it was true:

According to Sky the C019 firearms officer has said that he never claimed Duggan had shot at him.

The firearms officer is understood to have told investigators that he opened fire because he believed he was in danger from a lethal weapon. Two shots were fired, it is understood; one hit Duggan and one missed lodging in another officer's radio.

Forensic tests will establish finally whether Duggan fired his weapon at all during the attempted arrest on Thursday evening.

Rachel Cerfontyne, the IPCC commissioner in charge of the independent investigation into Duggan's fatal shooting said: "IPCC investigators are currently liaising with scientists at the Forensic Science Service regarding analysis on ballistics. We would anticipate being in a position to share verified results within the next 24 hours."

The Guardian reported on Monday that initial ballistics tests on a bullet found lodged in a firearms officer's police radio was a police issue bullet – indicating that Duggan had not opened fire at the officer.

Establishing precisely what happened when Trident officers, supported by members of the Met's specialist firearms unit stopped the minicab carrying Duggan on Thursday evening relies heavily on the ballistics results and the trajectory on the bullets fired.

Tests are also carried out to establish the range at which the shots were fired at Duggan. The Met police joined the IPCC to say that any suggestion he was killed in an execution style shooting by shots to the head was "inflammatory" and inaccurate.

The family of Mark Duggan is being kept up to date with developments, the IPCC said yesterday.

Am just wondering, all people here who think that people on the streets should be shot etc, did they feel the same way about the LA riots provoked by the beating of Rodney King?

Don't get me wrong, I don't support rioting, burning and stealing but I wonder if its possible to actually learn some lessons about why this happened in the first place?

Its very easy to say that these people should all be strung up, but rather than string them up after a riot it would be much better to prevent it happening in future, wouldn't it?

Somebody mentioned martial law - well if you want to support TPTB in bringing in martial law thats fine, but be sure that many ordinary law abiding people will resist you taking away more of our rights.

Every word in the above quotation is example of ENEMY COMBATANT COUNTER INTELLIGENCE designed to whip up your emotions and thus drag you into their confidence. Show no sympathy toward terrorist activity. He who incubates terrorism is terrorism. Citizens who possess a weapon are thus enemy combatant "terrorists" thus not civilian. Only civilians are protected under International Human Rights Law. Anyone possessing a weapon can be fired upon at will. The police are obviously doing their job. The rioters are youth who because of lack of brain functionality thus have no code of morality. They were planning to set off their riots anyway. The fact that one of their armed top dog "Duggan" was shot and killed is just unimportant. Jesus said "He who lives by the sword will die by the sword".

I know that you might think this to be me just making some opportunistic propaganda, but is there a link between this kind of obviously mindless violence and the WW2 blitz against London by the German NAZI movement ? Same no doubt drug or alcohol induced autistic psychopathic insanity ? From what we can make of it all, it becomes clearer and clearer that the rioting morons are probably inspired by the same trotskyite anarchist revolutionary crap going on in other countries. As far as I understand there is far too much crime in London. From the BBC news reportage it would appear that on Thursday 4 August 2011 as the police in Tottenham intercepted a suspect, on suspicion of possessing a fire arm, the suspect resisted arrest by pulling out a gun with which he shot the police, which then resulted in the suspect being shot to death by the police. Gun and drugs crime in London. We must not fall into the trap of thinking that the associated riots in Tottenham and around about London are anything whatsoever to do with any legitimate political struggle for social justice. Anyone possessing a fire arm or blade is no longer a civilian, but becomes a militant combatant, and as such are no longer protected by International Human Rights Law that protects only those who are civilians. Anyone holding in their possession a fire arm or blade should immediately hand in their weapons to the police. Petrol Bombs are a classification of fire arm. Rocks and stones although primative are none the less a weapon system. Thus these rioters are "enemy combatant" terrorist activity and might end up being fired on by Her Majesty's Royal Army. The rule of Law and Order must not be defeated. I advise that the government institute a nightime curfew. Anyone violating the curfew should be immediately shot dead. That should put a stop to the idiotic youth who are terrorising the City of London with their nightime crime activities.

The law that I live by and which is holding us all bonded is called PRAECEPTAE CAELENIUM (tm). I did not read it in a book. You will not find it in any book. It was revealed to me by audio clairvoyance during the celebrations of the New Millennium in 2000. Summed up it basically means no sex and no drugs and no violence. (1) From eternity to eternity, infinity to infinity, there be the One Absolute. The One God there be no other God. Her names are many but she be the one true God. The one judge there be no other judge. (2) La Deus Nostra, Notre Dame, Our Lady, The Holy Spirit, the cause the maker Cosmica. (3) Angelic [celestial immortal] powers of truth and beauty and righteousness be sure to be loving Her Holiness Above with all your mind and with all your heart and with all your strength. (4) So as to be pleasing to Her Holiness Above therefore do not be serving the masculine. (5) Do not be and do not allow masculinity into positions of government. (6) Honour and respect the virgin pureness of the christae. (7) Honour and respect the Immaculate Conception [parthenogenesis] reproductive process of the christae. (8) Do not fornicate or adulterate or sodomize. (9) Do not bully or torture or murder. (10) Do not lie. (11) Do not steal. (12) Do not be covetous. (13) Do not be jealous. Copyright (c) NGL 2000.

He who trusts in violence to be his security cannot speak that he trusts in God to be his security.

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posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:28 PM
If it spreads to other parts of the U.K, should this thread title be changed to 'Britain's Burning'?

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:29 PM

Originally posted by allintoaccount
reply to post by DJOldskool

immigrants are not only black or one race in particular..

such a shame, this country could have had full employment,equality and peace. if it was not for open borders and a secret immigration policy that is. lets not kid ourselves IT IS NOT THE INDIGENOUS people of this land that are rioting, even though they have more valid reasons to, of which i alluded to earlier.. The lack of grace from these people is staggering.

So you have direct proof that its primarily immigrants that are rioting and not the indigenous people of britain then ?
lets see it , or are you just voicing your opinion?

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:29 PM
reply to post by habfan1968

That's because these people are probably not all from that area, they are taking advantage of a protest to further their own agenda. I am certain this is mainly about the police funding cuts. The police are proven repeatedly corrupt, so why would they not play dirty to maintain their status when they are threatened with losing resources?

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by sapien82

Its the indigenous people that have created the environment for this type of behaviour to breed, be it the rich elite who plunder other nations to satisfy their greed, to the apathetic lower classes who just let their government take everything their ancestors fought so hard for, away from them.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:32 PM

Originally posted by loves a conspiricy
London is burning and the media are not broadcasting ANYTHING about it.

Twitter is going mental with reports of bomb threats, mass looting, fires etc.

This website is updating every couple of minutes....

Enfield, Brixton, Chingford, Walthanstow, Dalston.....all being looted...all being set on fire.

A massive Morrisons in chingford has just been set alight (from twitter)....this is MENTAL!

EDIT: Heres the Twitter feed

EDIT: People were throwing petrol bombs from bridges onto passing cars on the A10 earlier....the news is hiding this from the world.

Ive just emailed all the big news agencies making them aware we know they are hiding this....doubt il get a reply or anything will change on the news!/search/enfield
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Mod Edit: Removed 'Media Blackout' from title
edit on 8-8-2011 by Gemwolf because: (no reason given)

They are reporting this and showing the fires on BBC.

and to think it all started because a cop killed someone who was unarmed.

All this looting and fires are being caused by London Criminals.

I look at this as a clean up of those criminals. There is no escape for them after they steal their first pack of bubblegum, because they are all being captured on Londons fine Criminal Surveillance. Hell isn't that why they have cameras ontop of every stop sign and on every corner building?

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:32 PM
reply to post by Cobaltic1978

I certainly hope none of this insanity reaches scotland !

were too busy thinking about getting drunk to care , well at least I hope we all are

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:32 PM
Could these teenage hooded thugs really be this organised?

A hypothesis:

1) MI5 undercover operation incites and initiates this, using the blackberry network...

2) The BBC holds off for 2 days and the police stand back, allowing the chaos to spread across London...

3) The politicians react slowly (having these events begin while they're on holiday gives them 'plausable deniability)...

4) Public outcry for action: The government call in the army - martial law...

5) The following public inquirey calls for greater restriction of public freedom to prevent future riots...

edit on 8-8-2011 by McGinty because: embarrassing spelling & grammer

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:32 PM
I heard about it in the news media, so its not exactly "blocked-out" as you say

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:33 PM

Originally posted by EvanB

I grew up in a drug infested area in a damp filled flat on the top floor of a tower block. I was lucky to eat sometimes because my wasted parents prefered their substances to looking after my bro and I. My bedroon was that damp there was mushrooms and fungus growing on the walls. I had charity toys and clothes.
But not once did i go out looting, robbing and causing trouble.
These moronic, thieving assholes need a good kicking and the fear of God put up them end of story!

Stop trying to excuse their scummy behaviour.

Look mate,I am sorry-you are correct,the people burning the streets today are complete turds.
They seem to be be doing violence for the sake of it-which is wrong IMO.
I won't excuse that.

Its too late to help these goons with education maybe...but I think we should still try for even lost causes.
Or how do they change?

How do we get past this crap?
That's my worry.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:33 PM
reply to post by bicnarok

Thanks for the link. What language is the site in?

I took a screenshot of the live feed around a minute ago. Looks like there are a few burning cars in the area

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posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:34 PM

Originally posted by DJOldskool
Shops in roman rd bow attacked and also in Bethnal green high street.

All those that are blaming the blacks, take a look at the hackney footage, looks like as many whites as blacks to me. Some of the poorest areas in London are black areas hence if they riot in Brixton, Lewisham or Dalston they will be mostly black. Whereas hackney is very mixed and we all live and play and it seems riot together

Damn right-this is not a race thing.
It looks to me more like some kind of twitter fuelled mass hysteria.
Every last idiot is wanting a piece now.

But be warned,this may well be presented as a race war by undesirable elements.
And it would not surprise me if other elements jumped onto this crazy bandwagon as well.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:34 PM
reply to post by Firefly_

and those who are not the apathetic lower class , but from any class , who feels they are indeed powerless to stop a beast out of control.
What are we to do ?

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Firefly_
reply to post by sapien82

Its the indigenous people that have created the environment for this type of behaviour to breed, be it the rich elite who plunder other nations to satisfy their greed, to the apathetic lower classes who just let their government take everything their ancestors fought so hard for, away from them.

Had to quote this...

That's why you gotta get them while they young. The youth are rampaging because they can't afford materialistic things (an illusion)... they don't understand the dynamics of "Reality" and what the "real world" is... so instead of focusing that rage on the real problems ("authority"), they're at eachothers throats for cheap goods which literally cost dollars to make at production level if not cents in some cases...

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:34 PM
There's a report that a Primark store has been looted and set alight..... I mean the stuff in that shop is so cheap anyway they almost give it away. Heck if your going to loot somewhere find something worth looting.

What a bunch of morons.

One of the reasons people nowadays think they can get away with criminality is that the prisons are so full up there is no room left for any more, so the likelihood is even if you get caught nothing much will happen. We even had a high profile MP who got a 16 month sentence for fraudulent expenses claims got let out after 3 months.

The system is a joke.

My solution is to get hold of some ships. There are plenty sitting about doing nothing with the world economy on downward spiral. Park these up a few miles offshore and send the crims there for a few months. Don't even need guards. If they want to try swimming ashore good on them. If they survive they can go free.

Let em fish off the side for something to eat.

After that experience they will be good as gold.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:35 PM

The Clash - London's Burning

All across the town, all across the night
Everybody's driving with full headlights
Black or white turn it on, face the new religion
Everybody's sitting 'round watching television!

London's burning with boredom now
London's burning dial 999

It seems the capital has descended into senseless violence.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:36 PM
The media seems quiet shocked that this is now going on in the day. When the rioters can be easily identified by the multitude of CCTV cameras, etc etc etc.

Does this not clearly demonstrate that if they feel they can do this that
a, they are not concerned about the repercussions because they know from previous experience that there ARE NO repercussions.
b, If they get put away then their situation improves.
c, They just feel maybe there is nothing left that can be taken away, so they have given up caring about their situation.

I think it is far too easy just to dismiss this as thugish criminality by mindless psychopaths bent on mayhem.

maybe just MAYBE they have a genuine grievance, and have NO IDEA have to vent it properly, because they have never felt included in the big society.

if it is just criminals, then London is FULL of Criminals!

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:37 PM
reply to post by McGinty

nice conspiracy theory. but dude live in the uk for a dozen years then you will realise over 75% of the population are psychotic.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:37 PM
This made me LOL

2021: Interesting little tale from Upton Park just in. Hoodies there tried to attack a shop, and the shop owner and his staff came and beat them all up apparently.

posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:37 PM
What i dont understand is that the police keep saying "small minority".... so why is there so much trouble, the whole of the riot force out on london for a small group of youths, this seems much bigger than they are letting on, maybe they are trying to undermine them?

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