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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 07:18 PM
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Two more people have been arrested in connection with the arson attack which razed the House of Reeves furniture shop, in Croydon, to the ground, and three teenage boys have been arrested on suspicion of arson at the Sony warehouse, in Enfield, which was gutted by fire.

Thanks to CCTV footage and information from the public, the net is closing in - and catching - many of those suspected of being responsible for the most serious crimes committed over the course of the last few days.

The fact that suspects are being shopped and arrested left, right and centre, is probably the primary reason for the situation around the country calming down this evening.

Many of these young people will now swiftly realise how they've completely messed up and, in some cases, ruined their future prospects due to maniacal acts of destruction and greed.

They have only themselves to blame, and I do not want to be hearing any sob stories attempting to divert the blame away from the conscious actions of these free-willed individuals !


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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 07:26 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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They have only them selves to blame? For destroying their futures?? What future?? No jobs and priced out of education? Only the professional criminels like the govt and corperations or the banks, are allowed to get away with their crimes. Yes maybe they can start another war and send all these sheeple of to die. For queen and country.
Only last week all the top police were being investigated for corruption, selling storys to the news media and brutalising the citizens who pay their wages. Then they were going to lose more police in the cuts. Maybe thats why they just stood and watched the rioters comitting crimes. Unlike when the children of their bosses (citizens) Protested about the fees rise. What did they do? They charged them down and battered them even dragging a cripple out of his chair.
Now? they are better equiped with plasric bullets and water cannons. Plus they are not having any cuts. Instead there will more requitment of thugs to join the police force. You dont need any qualifications to join the police. Just as long as you are big enough to batter any one who disagrees with the bunch of thieves in govt.
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
reply to post by Pericle
 


the American Media stopped reporting the black riots(called "flashmobbing") and attacks on Whites all across the country...the "mayor" of Chicago closed the beaches on Lake Michigan due to "the heat"...its because of mobs of blacks attacking Whites......The Media wont broadcast it for racial reasons...


To those in England who don't understand how dangerous these "flash mobs" are, look at this:



ps - even if there was a conspiracy by the MSM, covering the "flash mobs", do you think everybody who filmed it would be in on the conspiracy too? Why isn't it on Youtube.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by illuminnaughty
Maybe thats why they just stood and watched the rioters comitting crimes. Unlike when the children of their bosses (citizens) Protested about the fees rise. What did they do? They charged them down and battered them even dragging a cripple out of his chair.


Apples and oranges.

Comparing the policing of a political demonstration involving people with set locations, agendas and goals with groups of people causing instantaneous chaotic, anarchic mayhem in unpredictable and unknown locations, is not valid.

They couldn't charge down these rioters for at least three reasons:

1. Heavy-handed charges with batons and riot shields wouldn't exactly have eased the threadbare ''community relations'' between the police and these anti-police communities. If anything, it would have severely exacerbated the feeling and, more than likely, acted as a catalyst for even more people to wreak havoc.

2. There are lots of under-16s involved in the rioting and looting. It's a completely different scenario baton charging adults at a political rally than it is to baton charge groups of rioters which contain children.

3. The police were heavily outnumbered by the looters on most occasions. Don't forget that the gangs of 100-200 generally organised their rampages in areas which had little police coverage. It would be absurd for a group of 20 riot police to attempt to tackle 500 rioters.

During the three week long riot in France six years ago, only 120 police got injured. Were they ''standing back'' to watch the rioters do their crimes ? Or perhaps the fact of the matter is much more mundane: police are grossly outnumbered and largely powerless when thousands of criminally minded people set out to create violence and destruction.



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:17 PM
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Going to repost this.

www.guardian.co.uk...


According to Sky the C019 firearms officer has said that he never claimed Duggan had shot at him.

The firearms officer is understood to have told investigators that he opened fire because he believed he was in danger from a lethal weapon. Two shots were fired, it is understood; one hit Duggan and one missed, lodging in another officer's radio.





ATS is being used as a platform by racists constantly and very few comments get removed.


ATS is used all the time to spread disinfo/misinfo is amusing and at the same time pretty sad seeing as the sites slogan is "deny ignorance"
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People involved in this little race argument, here you go
www.facebook.com...
www.thesun.co.uk...
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Those links aren't an insult and they aren't me calling anyone racist, they are for the people involved in this back and forth over the races of people involved.


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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Homedawg
reply to post by Pericle
 


the American Media stopped reporting the black riots(called "flashmobbing") and attacks on Whites all across the country...the "mayor" of Chicago closed the beaches on Lake Michigan due to "the heat"...its because of mobs of blacks attacking Whites......The Media wont broadcast it for racial reasons...
thank god theres somebody man enough to point this out......i'm tierd of being told its racist to see whats happening in the media



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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That is not the kind of "flash mob" that is the concern... it's more like this:



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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:24 PM
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here read it it says there may be noway of knowing if the gun was fired news.sky.com...
having no eveidance of the gun being fired and it not being fired are not the same

he ment this type of flash mob mate

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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Why test the gun when the guy that shot him has said he didn't shoot?



According to Sky the C019 firearms officer has said that he never claimed Duggan had shot at him.

The firearms officer is understood to have told investigators that he opened fire because he believed he was in danger from a lethal weapon. Two shots were fired, it is understood; one hit Duggan and one missed, lodging in another officer's radio.


Unless sky have got it wrong.
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:34 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by aivlas
reply to post by Aceofclubs
 


Why test the gun when the guy that shot him has said he didn't shoot?



According to Sky the C019 firearms officer has said that he never claimed Duggan had shot at him.

The firearms officer is understood to have told investigators that he opened fire because he believed he was in danger from a lethal weapon. Two shots were fired, it is understood; one hit Duggan and one missed, lodging in another officer's radio.


Unless sky have got it wrong.
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Unless there's something different to UK investigations than compared to other countries , it's not just the gun that would have been tested . There would/should have been forensic testing of the body at the scene and during an autopsy for gunshot residue ( GSR ) .

Some links

betterequipped.co.uk...

www.ehow.co.uk...

www.nacdl.org...

www.firearmsid.com...

I'm reasonably sure that it's already known that the victim did not fire any weapon




posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by illuminnaughty
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
 


They have only them selves to blame? For destroying their futures?? What future?? No jobs and priced out of education? Only the professional criminels like the govt and corperations or the banks, are allowed to get away with their crimes. Yes maybe they can start another war and send all these sheeple of to die. For queen and country.
Only last week all the top police were being investigated for corruption, selling storys to the news media and brutalising the citizens who pay their wages. Then they were going to lose more police in the cuts. Maybe thats why they just stood and watched the rioters comitting crimes. Unlike when the children of their bosses (citizens) Protested about the fees rise. What did they do? They charged them down and battered them even dragging a cripple out of his chair.
Now? they are better equiped with plasric bullets and water cannons. Plus they are not having any cuts. Instead there will more requitment of thugs to join the police force. You dont need any qualifications to join the police. Just as long as you are big enough to batter any one who disagrees with the bunch of thieves in govt.
edit on 10-8-2011 by illuminnaughty because: (no reason given)


If i were speaking to a rioter I would ask:

What has what someone else has done got to do with YOU being an honest law abiding person?
What has what the as*holes in office and their lack of morals got to do with you abandoning yours for rampant rioting opportunisim? Really?
Havent you just become JUST LIKE THEM now?
Why should the bad that other people do on any level be a permission for YOU to do the same or worse?
Cant you think for yourself?
Cant you make your own choices?
Do you even KNOW what a choice is? What a decision is?
How can you say that "they" are evil, bad or wrong and then do the same as they do?
Can't you accept your personal responsibility for your own life and the choices you make?
Who do you think should take that responsibility if you don't?
Who do you think should take on the consequences of _your_ actions for you?
Why?


I would say:


If the answer to any one of those questions above, on honest introspection, is "no, I dont know", then that is 'ok'. "ok" in that its a starting place. And if you are man or woman enough to admit to that, then the pathway is simple - go find the answers! A choice. Recognising you HAVE a choice, well THATS the begining of adult human responsibility. Welcome to the human race.

Responsibility - honestly answering those questions and others like them and DOING something about your own state of ignorance - not expecting others to do that 'work' for you or blaming them when they do and dont do it "right" or in a manner that pleases you! Its called growing up.

None of us 'chose' to be born here. But we are here. And I dont care how hard you think you have it in life, your "stuff" in life doesnt give you a right to harm other people who also have 'their stuff' to carry in this world.
The FACT remains that there are a LOT of people with MUCH bigger loads of 'stuff' to cope with in daily life than you, who didnt go out and loot this week! YOU CHOSE TO.
Man up..and accept the consequences..or not, but if you dont, you cant blame anyone but yourself.

You want social rights? Then accept the responsibilities that come with them. You CANT have one without the other..ever. One of the responsibilities of growing up is realising that there really ARE billions of other choices you can make about what you do with 'your stuff' and you ARE already FREE to make those choices anytime you like and YOU are responsible for making them - or not, no one else can be.

If you choose not to see them or dont want to..then there are consequences for that choice too, out here in real life world, we do have boundaries and there are lines you dont have the RIGHT to cross...ever....and when or if you do cross them- know we who are here, WILL one way or another, ensure you do see them and know why..permenantly.

Even in this messed up and confused world, you DO have choices and you can take on the burden of growing up like the rest of us havehad to and become more aware of those choices when you are making them so you can choose to make wiser choices no matter what others do or do to you or not. Either way - you are responsible.

You can choose to live well and happily and peacefully 'anyway' despite the crap or in spite of it or not...ASYOU CHOOSE.
You can bug out entirely..go live in a urt somwhere..whatever YOU choose, is yours. Only you can choose to be the person you want to be. To live how You want to live. No one can force you to become what you dont choose to become. NO one..ever anywhere under any circumstance. YOU CHOOSE YOUR FUTURE. No one hands it to you.

You ARE responsible.

edit on 10-8-2011 by Rosha because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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When the guy who shot him has apparently said he never shot then you would hope so, but that's apparently not what's going on.

catchalooter.tumblr
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posted on Aug, 10 2011 @ 11:35 PM
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Immigrants should be deported, why can't any whites have a country all to themselves? Multiculturalism is just covert genocide. Interracial crime statistics are disgusting



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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So just to confirm...they have basically stopped now? No martial law, just ADD kicking in?



posted on Aug, 11 2011 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by illuminnaughty
reply to post by Sherlock Holmes
 


They have only them selves to blame? For destroying their futures?? What future?? No jobs and priced out of education? Only the professional criminels like the govt and corperations or the banks, are allowed to get away with their crimes. Yes maybe they can start another war and send all these sheeple of to die. For queen and country.
Only last week all the top police were being investigated for corruption, selling storys to the news media and brutalising the citizens who pay their wages. Then they were going to lose more police in the cuts. Maybe thats why they just stood and watched the rioters comitting crimes. Unlike when the children of their bosses (citizens) Protested about the fees rise. What did they do? They charged them down and battered them even dragging a cripple out of his chair.
Now? they are better equiped with plasric bullets and water cannons. Plus they are not having any cuts. Instead there will more requitment of thugs to join the police force. You dont need any qualifications to join the police. Just as long as you are big enough to batter any one who disagrees with the bunch of thieves in govt.
edit on 10-8-2011 by illuminnaughty because: (no reason given)


If i were speaking to a rioter I would ask:

What has what someone else has done got to do with YOU being an honest law abiding person?
What has what the as*holes in office and their lack of morals got to do with you abandoning yours for rampant rioting opportunisim? Really?
Havent you just become JUST LIKE THEM now?
Why should the bad that other people do on any level be a permission for YOU to do the same or worse?
Cant you think for yourself?
Cant you make your own choices?
Do you even KNOW what a choice is? What a decision is?
How can you say that "they" are evil, bad or wrong and then do the same as they do?
Can't you accept your personal responsibility for your own life and the choices you make?
Who do you think should take that responsibility if you don't?
Who do you think should take on the consequences of _your_ actions for you?
Why?


I would say:


If the answer to any one of those questions above, on honest introspection, is "no, I dont know", then that is 'ok'. "ok" in that its a starting place. And if you are man or woman enough to admit to that, then the pathway is simple - go find the answers! A choice. Recognising you HAVE a choice, well THATS the begining of adult human responsibility. Welcome to the human race.

Responsibility - honestly answering those questions and others like them and DOING something about your own state of ignorance - not expecting others to do that 'work' for you or blaming them when they do and dont do it "right" or in a manner that pleases you! Its called growing up.

None of us 'chose' to be born here. But we are here. And I dont care how hard you think you have it in life, your "stuff" in life doesnt give you a right to harm other people who also have 'their stuff' to carry in this world.
The FACT remains that there are a LOT of people with MUCH bigger loads of 'stuff' to cope with in daily life than you, who didnt go out and loot this week! YOU CHOSE TO.
Man up..and accept the consequences..or not, but if you dont, you cant blame anyone but yourself.

You want social rights? Then accept the responsibilities that come with them. You CANT have one without the other..ever. One of the responsibilities of growing up is realising that there really ARE billions of other choices you can make about what you do with 'your stuff' and you ARE already FREE to make those choices anytime you like and YOU are responsible for making them - or not, no one else can be.

If you choose not to see them or dont want to..then there are consequences for that choice too, out here in real life world, we do have boundaries and there are lines you dont have the RIGHT to cross...ever....and when or if you do cross them- know we who are here, WILL one way or another, ensure you do see them and know why..permenantly.

Even in this messed up and confused world, you DO have choices and you can take on the burden of growing up like the rest of us havehad to and become more aware of those choices when you are making them so you can choose to make wiser choices no matter what others do or do to you or not. Either way - you are responsible.

You can choose to live well and happily and peacefully 'anyway' despite the crap or in spite of it or not...ASYOU CHOOSE.
You can bug out entirely..go live in a urt somwhere..whatever YOU choose, is yours. Only you can choose to be the person you want to be. To live how You want to live. No one can force you to become what you dont choose to become. NO one..ever anywhere under any circumstance. YOU CHOOSE YOUR FUTURE. No one hands it to you.

You ARE responsible.

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I just want to point out that this might be a known fact by many of them and they have made the choice that they do not care about the consequences, which is what?...in one case a day in jail?

That's not exactly life changing. Sometimes, the satisfaction is just too sweet.

As far as you chosing your future is concerned, it's actually already chosen in many aspects. Do you recall what your choices were before you came here?... because it actually may be nothing how you think you want it to be now... and you may change your mind a million times before you accept it how it is. Do you think all people who hate their lives are just bad people who are currently choosing to live that way? If so, why are there tears? They may have chosen, but it may be something that is absolutely nothing like what they have in MIND.... your soul makes more choices for you than your brain does, and your brain may fight with your true path every damn step of the way, just to prove a point in life. An important point. Like knowing you need to cover up a well after somebody falls in it and dies. that's a very important. I'm sure it's a complete crock of # to the person who fell in the well prior to their return to God, where they can make sense of it.

i'm not saying you don't choose your future, I'm saying many things have already been chosen by you completely outside of your current consciousness. When you get here, you have a completely new ball of goo in your head to deal with little or no recollection at all of the reason why you came.

... but you think people choose bad lives. Why would they do that?
You're on a path... i doubt you're able to jump paths right now that easily, because the very notion of that undermines the very struggle of the Lord Jehovah to reach the world of man... who put forth more effort than any man could possibly know... to a reality you can simply jump paths on. did I miss the day of reckoning or something when it all comes together? You are also not taking into account that you are energy and there are greater and lesser energies than you. What if greater energy doesn't want you to have your way?... like God for example.

Eventually, you *will* have your hearts desire... but you cannot change what is already chosen... and some things simply are.
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