You can plainly hear him say "ok! ok! stop!" as she continues to whack him over and over.I would be trying to get out of there too. If bystanders
would start stepping in in instances like this there would be a lot less of it going on. Especially if they used the same tactics the police use.
Police action is the cause of citizen hate towards the uniform.
I would say it is more of a citizen's misunderstanding combined with shoddy camera work that cause most of the hate towards the uniform.
Misunderstanding as in not understanding the situation that the officers are put in. Not understanding the police department's policy on use of
force. Not understanding that in some situations no matter how much the police try to steer the situation the other way, a suspect is just going to
fight no matter what.
Shoddy camera work as in not turning the video camera on until the police are winning. Not showing the entire event and only showing the part where
the police are using force. Not posting video of officers doing good things and encounters that end peacefully and only posting videos with violence
in them so they will get more hits.
Are you telling me that none of this happens? Are you telling me that every citizen has a full understanding of the how and why that is behind a use
of force incident?
Are you telling me that every video of police goes straight to the internet? No. Only the violent ones that can be fitted with a title of POLICE
BRUTALITY go straight to the internet. Believe it or not, a few boring videos that show the police either speaking with someone and letting them go
or arresting them without incident have made it to the internet. This is what the majority of police do on a day to day basis.
Their actions fool!
Really? Their actions towards you or their actions that you have seen on the internet?
The government sings your praises, the media screams your praises...
Actually, the government only sings the praises of the police department when it is beneficial to them. Meaning the police department did a good job
and crime is down or it is an election year and they want to give the appearance of being "tough on crime."
You are wrong about the second part as well. Search the news and look at how many negative articles are about the police. There are many more
negative than positive. Would you like to know why? Because negative stories about the police sell. The media is not going to write an article with
the headline of, "POLICE TAKE MAN INTO CUSTODY ON WARRANT PEACEFULLY," or, "POLICE STOP MAN, SPEAK WITH HIM AND LET HIM GO WITHOUT INCIDENT." No! No
one is going to care about that. News outlets eat up negative police stories because it entertains and gives the appearance they are exposing
The average citizen IN THEIR EYES gets treated like the most hardened of criminals... ON THE STREET before they even get to court.
Many citizens will have absolutely no contact with the police whatsoever. Most will only have contact with the police during a traffic stop or
something. The minority (meaning smaller number) or citizens will have more contact with the police.
If you consider getting stopped by the police and written a ticket or questioned and identified being treated like a hardened criminal you are
incorrect. In fact, most hardened criminals know if they are stopped by the police and they remain calm and collected they will be released if the
police do not have enough evidence on them to arrest them.
But you can't understand where I'm coming from on this can you? The rules say you can use force so its plain to you isn't? Just a go-hard-retard for
the force, can't think for yourself eh?
I would understand where you were coming from if you were mouthing off at a case of clear cut police brutality. I would understand that you are
venting your frustrations with the police. But you are mouthing off at a case of completely justified use of force by the police.
And you know what... No I didn't go the police academy, I worked my ass off in school for 12 damn years. You spend what? 3 weeks at "cop camp" after
getting a C+ average in high school. Get real buddy.
-You are assuming I am a police officer just because I disagree with you. Not everyone that can see the police were justified and know a little
something are police. They just disagree with you.
-Most police academies are 6 months not three weeks.
And all of that schooling for 12 years taught you nothing about police work or the law apparently. If you were any sort of criminal law attorney you
would have an understanding of how this stuff works and exactly when a police officer is justified to use force and why. You do not.
I am going to make an assumption now. I am going to assume you are a contract attorney, ambulance chaser peronal injury attorney or some sort of tax
attorney. I am going to assume you identified yourself as an attorney in an attempt to fabricate some sort of insider knowledge with the audience we
have here. I am going to assume that you know nothing about police policy and criminal law. I am going to assume that you have no credibility when
it comes to this subject.
When the members of ATS have a question about their income taxes or a sore neck after an accident, they will come to you. Until then take your
useless 12 years of schooling somewhere else.
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Why didn't the woman cop use her two free hands to cuff the suspect while her partner had him tackled and his legs wrapped up? Or use pepper
I mean yea the guy should have stopped resisting. But really 2 cops vs. one half drunken(appears to be) skinny dude with his pants falling down , she
should show more disciple than resorting to clubbing him down with 30+, weak, poorly placed..., baton shots.
Use your pepper spray, spray it right in his eyes, and watch him stop resisting real quick.
Really a poor display of Police work, poor choice of weapon and bad tactics,imo.
But then again I don't have all the facts, just what I saw from watching the video.
Its not about what he did before the camera started rolling. It's about whats right and whats wrong. Everybody wants to say "maybe he deserved it" but
what if he didn't? Now that we are on that topic WHO deserves it?
Get "deserved it" out of your head. "Deserved" would be a judgement for this situation if the police were beating him as punishment for whatever
crime he is alleged to have committed.
The police do not use force as punishment. They use force to meet force and overcome resistance to arrest.
If he was accused of something heinous but was actually innocent would he still "deserve" it? This is a slippery slope that leads straight to hell.
You play on the edge all you want, i'll stay far from it
No. The police are never justified to use force in this manner. They do not judge guilty or innocent. If the police started beating him for what he
did then that is police brutailty.
That is not the case in this incident.
edit on 8-8-2011 by areyouserious2010 because: edit
Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
i carry around the same telescoping baton with me everywhere. where i live, they aren't considered a weapon under the concealed weapon laws.
i can't believe people stand by and let this happen. i wouldn't. i don't know what he did, but really? just beating him while he's restrained...
It has become extremely annoying listening to these people playing Batman who continue to claim: "I wouldn't let this happen to me." or "That cop
would be going to a hospital if he tried to pull that s*it on me." or "I'd beat the living crap outta the pig..." etc.
YOU WOULD DO NO SUCH THING!
The American people have neither the intestinal fortitude, the mental or emotional ability nor the moral aptitude or courage to implement "blowback"
or resistance to ANY TYRANNY OF ANY KIND WHATSOEVER!
I SINCERELY BELIEVE that if the American people were told by the Federal government that Federal Agents were making sweeps from city to city and town
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other males and then rob and plunder all household valuables, then demand a politely worded "Thank you sir, may I have another?"...I SINCERELY BELIEVE
THAT ONE WOULD SEE ABSOLUTELY NO RESISTANCE FROM AMERICANS WHATSOEVER!
A lot of blogs crying the old standard of "Yeah...we're not going to take this crap...time to fight back for our freedoms..." etc...etc.. Yes, we'd
see a lot of that...
But the idea that Americans would ever TRULY take a viable stand against their owners...NEVER !!!
YES...THIS IS AN EXTREMELY RELEVANT RANT IN CAPS !!
THE TIME ATTEMPTING TO REACH WITH REASON AND BY MEANS OF THOSE ELOQUENT ELOCUTIONISTS HAS NOW FADED INTO THE SUBTLE LONGINGS OF THE PAST.
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YA GRUMBLING, MUMBLING, STUTTERING, MARBLE MOUTH, DROOLING, STAMMERING DOPES !!!!
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YOU'RE ALL NOTHING BUT A BUNCH OF PINKY FINGER TAPPING, BLOG POSTING, BS WANNABE HEROES WITH NOT A OUNCE OF HONOR OR A DROP OF GUTLESS BLOOD IN YOUR
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TAKE A FEW TRUE HISTORY LESSONS...THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR FOR AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE, THE CIVIL WAR, THE FRENCH REVOLUTION...THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS WERE
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This female cop seems like she is in over her head.If she cant stop this man with the first strike i fear for her safety.Im not saying that this is
justified or not only that she really cant save anyone with a swing like that.My gut tells me that this is wrong because if this guy was so bad he
would have taken the gun from one of them.
Any resident cops care to comment on the incompetence of this officer? I mean if your goal is to restrain someone then isn't what she is doing pretty
much worthless? Not to mention potentially deadly. Restraining someone is about controlling the suspects limbs. Baton as a leverage and hit in joints
is what I would think they're trained to do.
In all seriousness though, whether I deserved it or not, I would fight back against being beat down by anyone, police included.
If you're willing to lie down and take that, then you've really been mentally conditioned to take anything and deserve it.
Personally, I would be defending myself, even to the point of wrestling away that baton and throwing it before they have a chance to shoot me and
claim self-defense, even if I'm clearly trying to defend myself from being brutalized.
Funny how that works though, isn't it? Their "thin blue line" BS would have you believe that they killed you in self defense but when you
try to defend yourself? How does one defend their self from the police?
Are we really expected to comply with officers when we're being whacked with a club?
I'm sorry, but I'll die on my feet, and not at the feet of some self-righteous pig.
Police beware, screw with the wrong people and you will pay for it. I will take everything away from you.
blah blah blah cue long contrived post. Nice avatar you have there bud. Makes me proud to be American.
Don't worry though, I accept you in all your redneck-edness, just like I do with every other ignorant minority left in this country. Hell, I even
appreciate you. Without outspoken (albiet clueless and loud) people like yourself, we'd likely be living in something akin to communist China.
So take a bow, sir. You in all your ignorance are what makes my country great.
This video shows more that women shouldn't be cops more than an argument for police brutality. Honestly, with two males the dude would have been
subdued. She did not have the strength or balls for that matter to jump in and help, so she resorted to beating him with her baton.
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