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US Black Budget weighs 25% of total GDP!

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Many years ago - Philip Schneider:

The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year.
If this is true than I'm not surpirsed how USA finds itself in such a bad (pre-bankrupt) situation. $1.25 trillion dollars stolen each year from tax payers to fuel secret military projects! Philip Schneider claims that he worked on government's secret projects such as digging secret underground bases. He worked on Area 51 aswell wich doesn't exist according to US government, but we can all see it fom satellites. All that secrecy is disturbing and makes you wander... He was found dead (many assume muredred) in his apartment in 1996. I recommend reading His biography.

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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Don't lie now. We are spending all that money providing, cheese, applesauce and peanut butter to the poor. It's headstart and food stamps that are bankrupting us. These are very costly programs and we need to cut them off. The military is just a tiny stipend to secure this nation from terrorists, damn it! (frothing @ mouth) Leave the MIC alone!

We will come after you!

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Fichorka
Many years ago - Philip Schneider:

The Black Budget is a secretive budget that garners 25% of the gross national product of the United States. The Black Budget currently consumes $1.25 trillion per year.
If this is true than I'm not surpirsed how USA finds itself in such a bad (pre-bankrupt) situation. $1.25 trillion dollars stolen each year from tax payers to fuel secret military projects! Philip Schneider claims that he worked on government's secret projects such as digging secret underground bases. He worked on Area 51 aswell wich doesn't exist according to US government, but we can all see it fom satellites. All that secrecy is disturbing and makes you wander... He was found dead (many assume muredred) in his apartment in 1996. I recommend reading His biography.

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Why do you think the left screams "Raise taxes!" so loudly?
Why do you think the right screams "Cut 'entitlement' spending!" so loudly?

Because it's like white noise you throw on when you take a crap at a friend's house. You turn on the radio or the fan so they can't hear you do your business.

The two party system and their bullcrap excuses like raising taxes and entitlement spending is just the bathroom fan and the rest of it (military, tax loopholes, subsidies, and black budget) is the actual crap we are trying to cover up.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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It's clear the US military (black Ops included) is a huge drain on our economy. I think the war in Iraq, or was it Afghanistan, cost a few billion dollars a day to operate. Yet, Washington comes up with many lies and excuses to why this country is in the dumps. It should be clear to everyone by now that the Gov't is not looking out for the peoples best interests, but sadly, it's not clear enough. We'll see how Americans feel come Monday. Unfortunately I think the whole system has to come crumbling down before many wake up. Which sucks, because that's all part of the NWO plan, minus the masses waking up. People need to wake the F! up, now!



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Why do you think the left screams "Raise taxes!" so loudly?
Why do you think the right screams "Cut 'entitlement' spending!" so loudly?

Because it's like white noise you throw on when you take a crap at a friend's house. You turn on the radio or the fan so they can't hear you do your business.

The two party system and their bullcrap excuses like raising taxes and entitlement spending is just the bathroom fan and the rest of it (military, tax loopholes, subsidies, and black budget) is the actual crap we are trying to cover up.


That has to be the best analogy I have ever heard.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Exactly! Government manipulation is unbelieavable - We are practically their slaves!

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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so ats has stuped to using biographies and ufo sites and facts now?

i hear black budget this black budget this but wait a minute?

its a black budget aint noone in this country and ever give a definitive answer or number

seems to me way to many people are going around making up whatever they want

and the sheeple buy it hook like and sinker.

feel free to believe in whatever you choose its everyones right to do so.

but i pass on this one.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:14 PM
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Calm down. First of all, it wouldn't be Black Ops if the real numbers were released
. But don't worry, because that will never happen thanks to it being void from audit and public scrutiny. So yes, we have to refer to 2nd hand knowledge (which could very well be all BS) from such sites. It is no secret that Military costs the US tons of money, and Black Ops is no different, especially since they can do whatever they want and no one tells them No.

Here's a very recent & small example of major military waste

All F-35 and F-22s grounded


rt.com...


Over 200 of the most expensive aircrafts in the world are used by the US Military, but fleets of war planes owned by the Air Force are sitting on the sidelines, despite costing billions of dollars.

All 20 of the F-35 aircrafts in a fleet manufactured by Lockheed Martin were grounded today after the factory’s Joint Program Office (JPO) identified a failure in the plane’s electrical system while conducting tests on the ground.

An official for the JPO tells Flight International that they are investigating the problem, and once the facts are “understood,” Lockheed Martin will then decide what to do with the fleet of planes.

Billions and billions on warplanes. What a waste of money and resources, but what else is new



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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:36 PM
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If you want to see black budget heres a post I made the other day. Its easy for them to hide the cost and where the money comes from. Don't forget the DOD has been stealing equipment from the states for the wars and making the states replace it only to take it again.

Originally posted by JBA2848
Heres another reason most people over look the DOD chopping block and its cost as a result of the down grade. The cost are not all in the budget. Heres a quick look at how to hide the DOD budget from the budget.

www.ng.mil...



(except members of the Reserve provided for elsewhere),


The DOD gives a 25 billion dollar budget to reserve and national gaurd. 500 million each state. Not in the DODs budget. But thats not all of the cost no. The states also pay for that unmentioned budget.

www.ebudget.ca.gov...




All Funds: 2011-12*
Total Dollars $157,580
Total Personnel
Years 768.5

Major Program Changes
Programs
3-Yr Expenditures & Personnel Years
Infrastructure Overview
Printable Budget Documents
Additional Information

General Government
* Dollars in thousands.

$157,580 does not seem to be much until you read the foot note of add three zeros to the dollar amount. Califorinias cost $157,580,000. No womder states are broke. So the states whole cost added with the $500,000,000 from the federal government. $657,580,000 dollars for the war on terror and wars by the DOD per state. $32,879,000,000 if you multiply that by 50 states. So you 33 billion hidden right there, and the cost of alot of that comes from the budgets of different states not the federal government. That does not even touch the agencies like FBI,CIA and so on. Or even the cost of your local city police or sheriff departments. Or even the 58 billion I showed you earlier that the USAID took over from the DOD. And don't forget the DOD budget was raised as they hid there cost in other agencies or even in the budgets of states. The War on Terror is breaking the piggy bank.

So now you know why the graph shows a leveling off of the increase in military spending. Its not its just being shifted as the cost keep getting bigger.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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I found another interesting Schneider's quote:

for every calendar year that transpires, military technology increases about 44.5 years.
Mindblowing! Brainoverload! This is crazy!



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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This, honestly, is absolute nonsense.

The U.S. Defense budget is currently at some 650 billion dollars, give or take - and depending upon who/what you lump in with "defense spending." Currently - Medicare is right at about the same - about 700-800 billion dollars - tossing Medicaid on top if it throws it into the 1 Trillion mark.

It's all in the damned budget, people. Your tax dollars go toward funding servers that have this crap all available in neat little graphical breakdowns and interactive flash. Use it, for God's sake.

As for the "black" budget - these are all under special appropriations and command budgets. Every command in the military is given a yearly budgeted amount of money that it can use for various purposes. You have funding for sending personnel off to various training schools, money for general maintenance of infrastructure, a separate one for equipment/vehicles owned, etc. Certain commands, particularly those that deal with the special operations forces, are assigned budgets for developing unique, limited-production solutions.

It can be as simple as 'borrowing' an aircraft from a squadron (actually more similar to leasing the aircraft and its personnel) and painting it different colors to something as complex as taking a drawing-board concept from the patent office, approaching the holding company, and saying: "how much would it cost, and what would you need, to make ten of these?"

Exactly how large each command's budget is is a matter of national security. Obviously, if your have a sudden increase going to the Naval Special Warfare Development Group - it's much easier to target espionage attempts by following the money - so to speak. However, the "black" budget is usually just labeled as one big "spending on classified projects" block. They can and do move money around in ways that are, technically, not supposed to happen - but defense spending is defense spending. It takes an act of Congress to appropriate more funds to defense - and it has to be publicized.

As it stands currently, DoD defense spending rests at about 4.2-4.5% of GDP.

The entire U.S. budget is 'only' about 20% of GDP.

So, really, the claim that the Military accounts for anything more than 6% of GDP is absolutely ridiculous. You have to get crafty and add in interest payments on defense spending before you can even say it is approaching 5% of GDP.

People wonder why we are broke? It has -nothing- to do with the military. In 2005, the U.S. spent 300 Billion dollars on Medicare. Now, in 2011, we are spending between 700-800 billion, depending upon how you like to round things and how you think this fiscal year will wrap up.

That is why we are broke - and are only going to get more broke. Sure - the military is a pretty large chunk of change we are spending - but it is not out of line with the historical average being around 4.5% of GDP.

Defense spending is growing - and has more than enough places for changes to be made to improve efficiency (the military is eventually going to shift to a reserve-based system as opposed to an active-duty based one - but that will be about a decade or more in the works - last discussion we had with the CNRO and MCPON) - but the real cost issue is government entitlement programs - which have only seen soaring costs since their implementation. Primarily, we are talking Medicare.

I'm not saying we should just get rid of it... but what I am saying is that medicare spending is expected to crest 2.2 Trillion dollars by 2020 (although estimates in 2005, back when we were still spending 300 billion on Medicare, placed our broaching of 600 billion in 2015 - so... if history is any indication - we can expect a doubling of medicare costs within the next five years). Which would make it larger than any other combination of U.S. federal spending categories (IE - larger than 50% of the budget) - and represent about 8-9% of GDP.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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Don't take Schneider's words too seriously; he was a fantasist and liar. His claims of gunfights with aliens and being a geologist for the US Govt were just BS. No job, no college education and he's claiming to be a govt-employed scientist who wears fire-arms whilst surveying?

Also do the math on his other lie about secret tech advancing 40 years per year? If we even start in 1945, that puts (2011 - 1945 = 66. 66 x 44.5 = 2937!) them 2900 years in advance and where does he get the .5 from? Pulled it straight out of his ass.

The best estimates of the black budget are still vast with last year's being thought to be around $55 billion. That's a damn sight less than Schneider's mid-80s claims of over a $trillion, but a huge amount with no public receipts.



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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Originally posted by Kandinsky
Don't take Schneider's words too seriously; he was a fantasist and liar. His claims of gunfights with aliens and being a geologist for the US Govt were just BS. No job, no college education and he's claiming to be a govt-employed scientist who wears fire-arms whilst surveying?

Also do the math on his other lie about secret tech advancing 40 years per year? If we even start in 1945, that puts (2011 - 1945 = 66. 66 x 44.5 = 2937!) them 2900 years in advance and where does he get the .5 from? Pulled it straight out of his ass.

The best estimates of the black budget are still vast with last year's being thought to be around $55 billion. That's a damn sight less than Schneider's mid-80s claims of over a $trillion, but a huge amount with no public receipts.
Perhaps you are right, I posted this thread to give people raw information so they can decide by themselevs wether it's worth believing or not!



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 01:45 AM
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So the Black Budget is a secret right. No. What the black budget funds is secret.. it's part of the DoD's funding, they submit to Congress their expected costs to fund Black Projects. The budget it's self is public information, it just doesn't say what it pays for...........

2009 was the most expensive Black Budget ever at................... $50 billion dollars.


Really, it's not that big. And actually considering a LOT of a technology we use every day is developed by secret Black Projects it's one of the best investments our government makes. Gives us a technological edge.

www.wired.com...

It's also funny that those in the know can usually deduce what government agencies are working with those black projects because they often outsource to corporations, being publically traded and egos out the wazoo people talk and word spreads


Just as a comparison $50 billion for the black budget as compared to.....

$600 billion sending Americans 300 dollar checks.
$700 billion to bailout banks (almost none returned) including....
$200 billion to backstop Citibank
$30 billion for GM
$40 billion for JP
$30 billion BoA
$145 billion for AIG
$135 billion for Freddie and Frannie. With a $800 billion backstop.

$50 billion isn't that much with the trillions in total we simply gave away. Last year alone we spent over $600 billion on monetizing. $600 billion the year before "stimulating".

And the DoD budget its self? $707billion dollars. Including the Black Budget.

I don't think it's really that big a deal. It's science, it's research.. it actual employs someone.



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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It seems to me that you are very informed about this subject. However I am not sure now what to think... You state that all this secrecy can actually be good, since it employs scientits and give US's army technological superiority. Perhaps you are right after all...



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Fichorka
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It seems to me that you are very informed about this subject. However I am not sure now what to think... You state that all this secrecy can actually be good, since it employs scientits and give US's army technological superiority. Perhaps you are right after all...


Thats exactly what it does. It employees scientists, engineers, construction workers, manufacturing lines and many other jobs right here in America. Granted discovering atomic bombs, stealth technology and super sonic air travel may not the be the most socially accepted developments around, but it did employee alot of people to think them up, build the facilities, build the product and carry them out.




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