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Saudi Bombshell Released by The U.S. Dept of Defense !

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
Saudi Bombshell Released by The U.S. Dept of Defense !

Intel Report Suggests That Saudi Royals Are Crypto Jews


Are they decendant or do they consider themselves decendants of Judah then?

The reality is that *ANYONE*, who stems from Issac's bloodline and is decendant from the tribe of Judah, could be "Jewish".

Abraham, father of them all, was a Hebrew, and although the ancestor of both, Abraham himself was neither Jew nor Arab.

>quoted from various sources:<

"Israelites are the descendants of Isaac's son Jacob, who God renamed Israel, and from Jacob's son Judah come the terms Jew and Jewish. A vitally important fact in understanding is that while all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. All are Hebrews, but only the descendants of Judah are Jews.

Islamic traditions consider Ishmael to be the ancestor of Arab people, excluding Arabs who are descendants of Ya'rub. Arabs who are from Ishmael-descendant tribes are occasionally referred to as "Arabized-Arabs" to highlight their ancestry. The Prophet Muhammad was of these Arabs. However, many modern Arabs also believe their tribes and houses to be of Isaac's blood line, in particular in Southern Palestine."

So the Saudis *could* be jewish via the line of Judah, but then they would have to be prooven to be decendants first which this article doesnt specify and nothing is written about any judgment on that issue anywhere in any rabbinical record that would lead me to believe it has been publically prooven..



R




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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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Originally posted by Rosha
Are they decendant or do they consider themselves decendants of Judah then?

The reality is that *ANYONE*, who stems from Issac's bloodline and is decendant from the tribe of Judah, could be "Jewish".

Abraham, father of them all, was a Hebrew, and although the ancestor of both, Abraham himself was neither Jew nor Arab.

>quoted from various sources:<

"Israelites are the descendants of Isaac's son Jacob, who God renamed Israel, and from Jacob's son Judah come the terms Jew and Jewish. A vitally important fact in understanding is that while all Jews are Israelites, not all Israelites are Jews. All are Hebrews, but only the descendants of Judah are Jews.

Islamic traditions consider Ishmael to be the ancestor of Arab people, excluding Arabs who are descendants of Ya'rub. Arabs who are from Ishmael-descendant tribes are occasionally referred to as "Arabized-Arabs" to highlight their ancestry. The Prophet Muhammad was of these Arabs. However, many modern Arabs also believe their tribes and houses to be of Isaac's blood line, in particular in Southern Palestine."

So the Saudis *could* be jewish via the line of Judah, but then they would have to be prooven to be decendants first which this article doesnt specify and nothing is written about any judgment on that issue anywhere in any rabbinical record that would lead me to believe it has been publically prooven..


What do you mean by Abraham being "hebrew"
and who or what is ya'rub?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Soveren

What do you mean by Abraham being "hebrew"
and who or what is ya'rub?




Abraham - father of Issac and Ishamel ( from whom today's Jewish peoples and Islamic Peoples derive ancestory) was Hebrew - he was neither Islamic or Jewish as those terms didnt exist when he was alive!
The rest, go research. I did! ( its late I'm tired)

cheers!

R

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by Soveren

What do you mean by Abraham being "hebrew"
and who or what is ya'rub?


Abraham - father of Issac and Ishamel ( from whom today's Jewish peoples and Islamic Peoples derive ancestory) was Hebrew - he was neither Islamic or Jewish as those terms didnt exist when he was alive!
The rest, go research. I did! ( its late I'm tired)


Perhaps the ONLY way to determine actual ancestry is by DNA ?

it seems many religious declarations are by proclamation !

maybe it is wise to know the ways of people we deal with ?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Perhaps the ONLY way to determine actual ancestry is by DNA ?

it seems many religious declarations are by proclamation !

maybe it is wise to know the ways of people we deal with ?




Exactly. Disinformation 'begins at home' so they say. Imo, there is nothing to be feared, only understood


It is difficult to research truthful facts given that both Islam and Jewry are both and seperately cultural associations AND modern relgious beliefs/philosophys of spiritual practice..but when you do seperate genealogy from religion, a new light is given to the whole shabbang. Its one big family fued we're having down here!

You could even be Jewish a direct decendant or at least a partial decendant yourself for all you know! If not a Jew/decendant of Judah outright, then a member of one of the 'lost tribes' of Israel at least - they were lost after all and who knows who they intermarried with!

Remember that: "The mathematical study of genealogy indicates that everyone in the world is descended from Nefertiti and Confucius, and everyone of European ancestry is descended from Muhammad and Charlemagne" (Quoted from The Royal We") So who knows!

Most familiaral (not mathematical) studies in Jewish ancestory however are known to Rabbinical scholars and have been recorded down through history so your being Jewish and not knowing it would be a rare event. Its gaining access to those lists to rule someone in or out as a possibility that is difficult if not impossible - unless you are a Rabbi or known 'fullblood' seeking your ancestory. Given what hitlar did when he had access to the same records, I dont blame them the secrecy or for protecting survivors, but I do wonder how many of the tribe iof Judah did indeed survive the war, and what if any relationship they have to those Israleites claiming Jewish ancestory in Jerusalem today.
Not to mention 'reconstructionists' muddying the waters..people who are not Jews, claiming to be Jews and providing false documents etc.
If you are European, then it is more likely you are an indirect decendant of the house of Ishmael.

I started researching with some basic perimiters and questions like " Why are the Jews, the "main" tribe of Israelities today" etc..what happened to the other tribes?" The search has been interesting and enlightening to say the least.
Good luck on yours





R






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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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here is some info on the "Cohen" mixture.... DNA-genetics not to be confused with genealogy.


Cohen_modal_haplotype
Does a CMH prove Cohen ancestry?

One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), whilst notably frequent amongst Cohens, is also far from unusual in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond. [10] [11] Thus, while many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely[clarification needed] Cohen connection at all.


is it all "scientific" ?

or just more confusion ?

are the "Cohen's" the "chosen ones" even with other cousins ?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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Wow!, to think all this data was just tapped, if they all on paper then who was phone?



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
here is some info on the "Cohen" mixture.... DNA-genetics not to be confused with genealogy.


Cohen_modal_haplotype
Does a CMH prove Cohen ancestry?

One source of early confusion was a widespread popular notion that only Cohens or only Jews could have the Cohen Modal Haplotype. It is now clear that this is not the case. The Cohen Modal Haplotype (CMH), whilst notably frequent amongst Cohens, is also far from unusual in the general populations of haplogroups J1 and J2 with no particular link to the Cohen ancestry. These haplogroups occur widely throughout the Middle East and beyond. [10] [11] Thus, while many Cohens have haplotypes close to the CMH, a greater number of such haplotypes worldwide belong to people with no likely[clarification needed] Cohen connection at all.


is it all "scientific" ?

or just more confusion ?

are the "Cohen's" the "chosen ones" even with other cousins ?



IMO, much would depend on who you speak to and what investment they had in the answers. Political/Social/Religous/Intellectual etc.. Given the enormous mathmatics involved, I am not sure science can provide a direct correlation or reliable decendancy map beyond 1000yrs.

Also, remember that in the Tanakh, the word isnt 'chosen' at all, it is properly translated as "Treasured People".
" YHVH " it is said proclaimed the "Nation of Israel" as his ' "treasured people". Not refering to any individual tribe or house by name so that means both houses, Ishamel Issacs and Abrahams other six other sons through his wife Keturah whom he married after Sarah died - Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah," (Gen. 25:1-2) are all 'inheritors' of the covenant Abraham made with God, and so all decendants from those lines genetically or familiarly, are or can be considered part of the " Treasured People".


R








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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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A footnote to the Ottoman empire, it was broke by 1914, so could not buy enough modern weapons to make a difference to the outcome of WW 1 (the great war?).



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by bobmsmvp
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bible quotes

yeah, i'm not reading what you wrote,

Does anyone know if you can filter dum post by stupid member?


The word is spelt "dumb"....moron.

The Genesis quote was placed there as it referrs to the oldest historical document that name's Abrahams other children. As for the bit from the Tanakh it is important for context, to know where a statement was *originally sourced* from and how a word like "chosen" was initially MIStranslated - if only to recognise the bastardisation of the word that has occured for political and religous purposes down through the ages. Given that the Torah is the source document for the christian bible and for much of the current political policy of Rabbinical Jewry, and Israeli foreign policy today, it is an important document to read and to understand for that alone, even more important for anyone seriously researching the decendants of Israel.

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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:32 PM
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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like>



posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by bobmsmvp
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shut up you stupid #ing NlGGER, go listen to your fairytales while massaging your prostate you #ing pansy f4ggot.



Lol....non religous scottish and female...sorry to spoil your day.




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posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by bobmsmvp
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shut up you stupid #ing NlGGER, go listen to your fairytales while massaging your prostate you #ing pansy f4ggot.



Lol....non religous scottish and female...sorry to spoil your day.




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It looks the thread is hitting nerves!

I was wonding why it took so long!

here come da bann'ins !




posted on Aug, 9 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen

Originally posted by Rosha

Originally posted by bobmsmvp
reply to post by Rosha
 


shut up you stupid #ing NlGGER, go listen to your fairytales while massaging your prostate you #ing pansy f4ggot.



Lol....non religous scottish and female...sorry to spoil your day.




edit on 9-8-2011 by Rosha because: (no reason given)


It looks the thread is hitting nerves!

I was wonding why it took so long!

here come da bann'ins !




chuckles..Ive got teens...this is nothing

The views expressed above, being a living result of a milenia of political and socio-religous bastardisation of language are the one reason why I feel its so important to get the facts right, at least then the argument has a worth beyond ego.

R



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 01:25 AM
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You go girl................ that was entirely too rude .........and I appreciate your knowledgeable input..................



posted on Aug, 10 2014 @ 02:22 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

i lol'd at this part...




The notion of the Saudi family being of Jewish heritage has been published by Mohammad Sakher, who, it is claimed, was ordered killed by the regime for his revelations.


ya think?! haha!

it just all sounds too complicated.




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