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Zionist Christianity - a cautionary tale

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Thanks for the vid.I love visuals on stuff.
Does the vid show you're point of view.
Sorry if you had already stated it.
I only read the OP till I post. Anything b4 I feel like I
am intrudeing LOL.

LOTZA LUV




posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by pthena
 


heaven doesnt exist... its for weak minded people

but i do understand that the above senario is happening.... not with the gun shot at the end... but with jews, christians, and muslims funding the prophecys of their retarded holy books hoping to end the world. Its really all quite sad.

im just waiting for the day after they all kill themselves and the world can carry on much happier and much lighter.


I could laugh until I cry. You really do believe that you'll "carry on much happier and lighter", that "those groups" are behind the events to come.....Wow. These events will only EVER happen when God says "times up". Nearly 2,000 years have gone by since Revelations was written, and in that time I think God gave every man and woman on this Earth plenty of opportunity to exorcise that Free Will He gave them to either live by His Word or not. To accept the Light or Darkness. He will be the ONLY one to decide that time.

And I note that you only choose the three Abrahamic religions but ignore every other religion belief on this planet from Hopi, Native Americans, Buddhism, Mayan, Hinduism etc etc etc. ALL of which hold cycles of creation and destruction based on the level of dysfunction and blatant disregard to God's Truth as known in each of them.

You really think that people of these Faiths so badly want to die that they'll plot the end of the World? That they'll take 7 billion people with them. But yet you dont lay any blame on the Darkness in this World.

God gives you plenty of opportunity to acknowledge the Divine Spirit within you. The Father that gave you Life, in His Image, and only wants you to acknowledge it. But you spit in His face.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Actually based on what I have learned I would have to say yes he would.

Here's a thumbs up for Bob.


there is a little detail you must have missed.

No, I don't think I missed anything. Jeremiah said 70 years. You would have to consider the return authorized by the Persian emperor and carried out by Ezra et al as a non-event in order to ignore it. I rather like the prophet Jeremiah and don't think he should be cast into the fire, as the king did.

Concerning the temple rebuilt during the time of Haggai and Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and Joshua son of Jehozadak, the high priest


Hagga 2:3 `Who of you is left who saw this house in its former glory? How does it look to you now? Does it not seem to you like nothing?
. . .
5 `This is what I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt.
. . .
9 `The glory of this present house will be greater than the glory of the former house,' says the LORD Almighty. `And in this place I will grant peace,' declares the LORD Almighty."

As far as I can tell, the greatest distinction of that temple was that it was purposely, as opposed to through hostile action, dismantled stone by stone until no stone remained upon another. Peacefully dismantling temples of stone is a good thing in my opinion.


It's 2000 years long to be exact. And my best guess on the subject with some input from Matthew 24 I would put the end of the curse no later than the year 2028.

I'm sorry, I can't see it.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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Please don't pick on Wertdagf. I don't think you know Wertdagf well enough.

I do see your point though, that cultural expressions not shared by the powerful are totally ignored. Minority opinions hold an overwhelming share in discussions, that I would take as the "Darkness in this World" that you mention.
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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 01:33 PM
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Ya, Bob will go to Heaven, the people [Palestinians?] who stood in the way will go to Heaven, and even the Zionists who killed them will go to Heaven. Their respective status is Heaven might differ somewhat, however...



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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so your saying all those religions got the destruction of everything right... but the whole worshiping and salvation things wrong....

the only thing you see in common with other religions is getting to see everyone die. Kinda gives away what you really want..... sad that such a cage has been build.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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I'm missing something here.

Has a shift occurred, and everyone knows the thoughts and motives of everyone else? And I was left out of the loop?


the only thing you see in common with other religions is getting to see everyone die

This sounds almost like what the other poster was saying about your post. I'm missing something...

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Ya, Bob will go to Heaven, the people [Palestinians?] who stood in the way will go to Heaven, and even the Zionists who killed them will go to Heaven. Their respective status is Heaven might differ somewhat, however...

A universal thumbs up? go to heaven left ambiguous, could actually mean "breathe your last", status to be determined.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by pthena
reply to post by Lazarus Short


Ya, Bob will go to Heaven, the people [Palestinians?] who stood in the way will go to Heaven, and even the Zionists who killed them will go to Heaven. Their respective status is Heaven might differ somewhat, however...

A universal thumbs up? go to heaven left ambiguous, could actually mean "breathe your last", status to be determined.



LOL


Had a kinda bad day today.
But the way you put that, priceless.

LOTZA LUV
In all honesty though I dont believe in hell.
I just believe in the second death.
But isnt that what the 1,000 yr reign for. For those who didnt come to him with out seeing him.
I really dont think GOD plans on loseing even one of us.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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I really dont think GOD plans on loseing even one of us.

Since the thread got moved from Conspiracy to Off-topic, we can relax a bit and hopefully unravel some serious animosities. Sin-Evil/Salvation/Eternal life/individual Immortality paradigm vs the We're just here/we die/that's it paradigm.

These aren't clear cut divisions though, because the various religions mix the elements up a bit. Then, you mix in the gods.
1) You can have a God who dies or is murdered and dismembered by a second generation to become the world, (that's quite common).
2) You can have primal elementals, such as The Male Sky hovers over the Female Earth, rain is like semen, and all life rises up from the Mother Earth.
3) You can have gods and goddesses living in families, and depending on the nature of an impending disaster, one is chosen as champion and Head God.
4) A Creator God creates the world and then has children.
5) A Creator God creates the world and doesn't have children.

Number 4) would be Amun, the oldest creator of matter from nothing.

let me know if you want to continue with this, I don't feel like writing out a whole thesis in one sitting.


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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:56 PM
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Have you ever read the secret book of john.
Just read it and haveing a hard time wrapping my mind around it?

If not what ever you wish to talk about works for me.
You got alot of knowledge in that noggin Im just itching to hear.

LOTZA LUV

P.s. Heres the link to it LINK



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Here's the link: The Apocryphon of John The Nag Hammadi Library
(The Secret Book of John - The Secret Revelation of John)
Translated by Frederik Wisse

Very interesting. Oh, what a fool I've been to neglect it. I'm sure Marcion was familiar with this text or at least one covering the same material.



"Now the archon who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas, and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, 'I am God and there is no other God beside me,' for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.

It's of some significance that "I am God and there is no other God beside me." is a formulaic statement from III Isaiah. Isaiah 43-46.


'I am a jealous God, and there is no other God beside me.' But by announcing this he indicated to the angels who attended him that there exists another God. For if there were no other one, of whom would he be jealous?


Humanity as created is more intelligent and noble than the First Archon. Therefore the first Archon casts them into a shroud of ignorance,


"And in that moment the rest of the powers became jealous, because he had come into being through all of them and they had given their power to the man, and his intelligence was greater than that of those who had made him, and greater than that of the chief archon. And when they recognized that he was luminous, and that he could think better than they, and that he was free from wickedness, they took him and threw him into the lowest region of all matter.

Epinoia I need to look into more; a personalized image of the Mother?, familiar spirit dwelling within as Thena is to PThena? A true spirit as opposed to the false arising from adultery with Sophia? Is the wisdom of Solomon which seems so awfully lame to me actually the false spirit begetting of these adulteries of the ignorant Archon and Sophia?

Interesting hotbed of material for all manner of heresy(choice) as opposed to the orthodox(same teaching) imposed from outside authority.

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 10:40 PM
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And now I remember the question you asked on another thread. What people thought about Jehovah's Witness. That's a question I really wanted to answer because I have strong feelings on the subject.

I've had a lot of association with them, because of their commitment to non-political power, peace not war, the irrelevance of nationality, sense of justice and morality. The name catches in my craw though. Three times they invited me to do studies with them, three times I explained that the format was unfair to me since they had affiliation and I did not. All leading would be for me to join them and I was no one to join. Any change of thought would have to be from my side alone.

The last time, I finally said, "You are very decent people. The decency you have in yourselves is in spite of the one you think of as god and not because of him." Needless to say, they went away sad, for they will not allow themselves the freedom to think what to them would be blasphemy.

So now I would say, "If you want a god smarter than you, pick one not named Yahweh. If you want a god more just than you, pick one not called Yahweh. Do you want a god more loving than you? Pick one not named Yahweh. For he is the jealous, ignorant, more liable to destroy on a whim, archon."

And just to show what I mean: The Zionist Christians glory in the Old Testament Yahweh, that is their god. Other Christians may have the same orthodox teaching of this Yahweh fellow being god but they also have a sneaky unmentionable feeling that the Old Testament fellow is obsolete, and the New Testament ethics are far superior to the Old.
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posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Again I say. The condition of the Jews is a temporary condition that will end soon. The covenant of Leviticus 26 is a binding legal agreement. And per the prophecy of Hosea the curse of Malachi will run out 2000 years after the death of John the Baptist. The Elijah of the prophesies of Malachi. To be followed by the day of Jezreel. And this is what Leviticus 26 has promised the Jews.

39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.
40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;
41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:
42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.
43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.
44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.
45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.
46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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I know you addressed this post to someone else, and that's not surprising since I am obviously a Pagan, one with the names of other gods on his lips, and a blasphemer against the name of someone you consider worthy of worship, just to get that out of the way, but I just can't let this go.



Matthew 5
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Compare:


MT 11:11 I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it. 13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.

Simple question: Did Jesus teach his disciples to seek to be great in the kingdom or to be least? Think about it.

And did the Law and prophets prophesy after John or did they end their prophecy when John came? Open book test. Answer found on this very page.



prophecy of Hosea the curse of Malachi will run out 2000 years after the death of John the Baptist.


Hosea prophesied to the twelve tribes of Israel before even the deportation of Samarians by Assyria. Malachi prophesied to Judean returnees from Babylonian territories under decree of Persian emperor. After the 70 years of Jeremiah ended. So also did Haggai.


HAG 2:10 On the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius, the word of the LORD came to the prophet Haggai:
. . .
18 `From this day on, from this twenty-fourth day of the ninth month,
. . .
19 " `From this day on I will bless you.' "

When did the curse of Leviticus end? On the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, in the second year of Darius.

A contract or covenant, even a bad one, such as the Torah, ends when it ends. It is illegal for some other party to step in and change the names on the contract and pretend it is still in force. Illegal.

Who are the Jews? They are a pseudo-tribe formed in Persian ruled Babylonian territories, consisting of some people of Judean descent who refused to return to Judea under Cyrus' decree, but rather scared people from many nationalities to join them through threat of death. It's all in Esther, I suggest you read it. That's the definition of a Jew.

There are no covenants with the Jews. There are no promises to the Jews other than promises to all people. The Jews are people among the peoples of the earth, nothing more, nothing less. It is illegal for them to take the name Israel and claim any promises to Israel. They are not Israel. Period.

I'd like to know where this supposed 2000 years comes from.

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posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 07:14 AM
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There are no covenants with the Jews. There are no promises to the Jews other than promises to all people. The Jews are people among the peoples of the earth, nothing more, nothing less. It is illegal for them to take the name Israel and claim any promises to Israel. They are not Israel. Period.


Who in the heck teaches you this garbage? Someone who feels the Jewish people are devils. This has the most racist tripe I ever heard in my life. The fact is that the identity of the servant has already been established by Isaiah in PREViously stated passages. In Isaiah 41 :8-9; 44:1-2, 21; 45:4; 48:20; 49:3 the prophet identifies Israel (Jewish people) as the servant. You should really stop listing these lying and deceiving Christians who feel Judaism has run it's course! Of course who we to believe Paul or HaShem? I'm going with G-d! What you are saying about the Jews is wrong! I'm Jewish and I'm visibly upset by your comments!!! Leviticus 26:42: I will remember My covenant with Jacob (Israel-Jewish people) as well My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abrabham. I will remember by land. HaShem's covenants are eternal and the laws and commands are eternal!
I want you to understand it is difficult being Jewish! When people twist your faith and everything around like it is nothing! Nothing! I hate that!



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Who in the heck teaches you this garbage?

It's in the Law, the Prophets, and the writings. That's what I was quoting.


Someone who feels the Jewish people are devils.

I believe that Jews are people. I believe Gentiles are people. People are people, no better, no worse.


I will remember My covenant with Jacob (Israel-Jewish people) as well My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abrabham.

The 12 tribes had a system for inducting people in to the confederacy. What authority exists today to induct into tribal membership? I don't know of any such authority.

The Jews, as I stated are a pseudo-tribe of Babylonian Judeans who refused the return after the 70 years of Jeremiah. I do not recognize Mordechai as authority to Induct into Israel or even the Judean tribe, being a Benjaminite and all. The Judean tribe was in Judea, while the Jews were in Persian territories under Mordechai. Can you see the difference?



I want you to understand it is difficult being Jewish! When people twist your faith and everything around like it is nothing! Nothing! I hate that!

Are you a free person? Can you not choose to be something other than Jewish. After all, I'm mostly English, and yet I am not English at all, for I am an American.



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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I'm just upset that we have different beliefs. I get it all the time in my life. Being Jewish born but a Deist, Still wear a kippah and always asked about this and that! What do I have to do to promote my understanding of my faith. It just seems I have to be in your face for it to sink in. Life is confusing!



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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My belief is not much different from Deist. I spent many decades learning and teaching Christianity. I eventually walked away from it. If God wills, I hope some day to be an Atheist. That's a bit confusing too!



posted on Aug, 8 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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Well Ayn Rand is an inspiration to myself. I consider myself a Deist. Might get into Orthodox Judaism though. Learn how to represent who I am I guess.




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