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Was there time before the universe?

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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 04:16 PM
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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 04:17 PM
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We have established that at singularity there was no space or motion and consequently no time. At singularity (the big bang), motion began and space and time were created. Time and space are functions of motion. What do all clocks have in common? Calibrated motion.

I know it's simplistic, but that is how I understand it all.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 04:28 PM
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intresting, u mean that all of the energy/matter in the
singularity was in suspended animation?

is that what ur saying.

then we can combine my theory of the "ripples in the nothingness"
with yours.

these ripples pushed the suspended particles into motion.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 04:38 PM
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If time has always existed, then we would have to go through forever to get to our time. NOT possible. Time was created with the universe.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by TrentReznor
(off topic)

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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by deevee
If time has always existed, then we would have to go through forever to get to our time. NOT possible. Time was created with the universe.


Kick me in the head because I am dense... but time and the universe are created at the same time we are born.

We are energy, and because energy moves during a period of time, which creates matter, we are matter. In otherwords, we are energy, time and matter, all of which is comprehended as part of our conciousness.

A rose by any other name will still smell as sweet.

All of you that are debating time, matter, wobbly things, big bangs and black holes are just arguing about symantics.

Einstein, Hawking and that guy with falling apples were just making hyposthesis about matter... when the issue is deeper than that and more on the level of Plato and Socrates.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 06:40 PM
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jimbolux1,

Time only exists when it is being contemplated.


Space



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 07:00 PM
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The Boondock Saints


On Topic:
Simply put there was 0 here before our universe.
Now there are 1.
They both are something 0 and 1.
Like an egg. there are many of them(universes) INFINITY.
It should be easy to understand i think because if you think existence and why? It would be sad if everything went to -1 wouldnt it


EDIT: Thought the topic said: What was before the universe? have you changed it or am I a bit lost.



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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by kinglizard
I will give you my initial thought. Time is referred to as the fourth dimension although it has no dimension, time is a function of space. I don’t think you can separate the two, So without the fabric of space you can have no time. You will often hear the word “space-time” because of the nature of the relationship.



Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
At the moment of the Big Bang this matter began to be dispersed, not through out the universe, which implies a pre-existing space. As the singularity is dispersed, space is created. Space is that which separates matter. When it is said that the universe is expanding, it means that the space between galaxies is expanding.


So, in the beginning, there was no space, or was there..? If the space was there, there would've been time. If the space wasn't there, there would be no time. How could the Big Bang happen if there was no time for it to happen in? I think there was a huge, empty space, and in that space was a huge "thing" of matter. This poses the question, if there is space, how much of it is there? Is it infinite space, or can it be measured? Maybe you could drive your car off of the edge of the universe... The thought of infinite space makes me think way too hard.


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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by deevee
If time has always existed, then we would have to go through forever to get to our time. NOT possible. Time was created with the universe.


The word created....Lol. You know what that means. Every creation has a creator. How could the creator exist if there was no time to exist in? Wouldn't the very process of his/her thinking mean that time exists? This means time had to exist forever. There can be no such thing as "no time". I wonder what was in the time before the universe, and I wonder how long the creator waited before creating the universe. Wait, he would have to exist infinitely before...Right?

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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 08:29 PM
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First of all, we must define time, or space-time. Space-time is a four dimensional “description” of the universe that includes the usual three dimensions (height, width and length) and a fourth dimension of time. If you wonder how it is that time can be considered a dimension, and if so, why it should be lumped in with space, consider the definition of time: time as we know it is a man-made concept defined by physicists as the measurement of a series of events. Using this definition, then time is simply a means of accounting for, or measuring, things as they occur. It’s how we put things in their place. For instance, the vibrations of a quartz crystal in a watch, or the movement of the earth around the sun. “Time” does not exist as its own entity; the “event” is the true variable we are measuring when we think of time. Without events occurring, there would be no time.

Now, taking it a step further, an event must occur within some medium. The medium within which events occur is what we call space. Each point in space is particular to the observer (or measurer) of the event. Therefore, each point in space can be associated uniquely with an event, and thus space and time are tied intimately together. Furthermore, the perception of an event is "relative" to the observer (measurer) of that event, dependent upon his/her vantage point. That’s why the name "relativity" was given to the branch of physics most responsible for defining this “concept”.

Finally, to answer the original question, “Was there time before the universe?”, the answer is, "who knows?". . Sorry. First I think we must ask ourselves, “did events take place before our universe came to be?”. And, “assuming events did take place before our universe began, was there an entity that observed (measured) these events?”. I don’t think anyone at this “time” knows the answers to those questions. I think the most promising theory at this time which may shed some light on the subject of what happened before our universe began is M-Theory. M-Theory, the 11-dimensional model that unifies the 5 distinct String Theories, and the best bet right now for a possible Grand Unified Theory, uses membranes (branes) as the fundamental object. It has been conjectured that our universe may have begun as the result of the collision of 2 of these branes. The Big-Bang being the consequence of such a collision.

I know this was not an answer to your question, but then I’m not sure your question has an answer at this time. It’s just one way of looking at things along the way.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 08:39 PM
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No, of course not. Isn't one of the things that make the universe, quite simply, time itself?

Sure, one might consider how it is a fourth coordinate in a cartesian system and so forth.

But how could it exist if nothing else did, to say nothing of the other three axes of space itself.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by TrentReznor
u mean that all of the energy/matter in the
singularity was in suspended animation?


Well that's not what I'm saying. That's how I view the Big Bang theory. Singularity, in my mind, can only exist if there is no motion. All matter is compressed into an infinitely dense point of zero volume. Of course, physics is useless at this point. Here is a good site.

I would also like to point out that current information suggests that the expansion of the universe is accelerating. That has put the cyclical universal on hold for now. This acceleration has given rise to the theories of dark matter and dark energy..

But then again, there is Superstring theory..



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posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 09:24 PM
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You should all read the short story by Isaac Asimov entitled 'The Last Question'. Very on-topic and a good read to boot.



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 09:26 PM
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Netbound:

That was beautiful!



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by netbound
First I think we must ask ourselves, “did events take place before our universe came to be


Maybe god threw a party and all the angels came and enjoyed themselves!



posted on Aug, 17 2004 @ 10:50 PM
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Thanks, GradyPhilpott. I like your posts, as well.

What I said, though, was just another way of stating the same ideas you had already expressed. I just followed your lead. It seems we're of a like mind on this one.



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