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Riots in Tottenham, London

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by almeister 5000
reply to post by HumanPLC
 


The majority of the reports about the incident say that a minicab was pulled over with Duggan in it, a shot was fired and the police shot back. A bullet was later found in the policeman’s radio.

Granted yes all we have is reports and no hard evidence but that is the main story coming about.


Exactly, no hard evidence which means any claims, statements or labels being given to this gentleman are unfounded.



It is also very rare for the police to carry guns with them unless they are either responding to an incident where a gun is present or the police are in an airport or major train station.

There would have been a reason for these officers to be carrying guns.


Is it rare? I thought we had armed response units who carried weapons all the time.

A suspicion or perceived threat is all it takes for an armed response to be required to attend, suspicion makes him a suspect, not a criminal.




posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by zanoni7
One of the great ironies of the current situation is that future white, middle aged, male looters may well be former policemen.

Think that's far fetched? With the cuts to the police force, due again to the government/banking collusion bail out, great numbers will be finding themselves unemployed in the near future. When they are no longer a part of the force, they too will be confronted by the harsh reality of justice being the preserve of those who can pay for it or have friends who can pervert it.

On the subject of Ian Tomlinson, as the previous poster mentioned, the police would literally have gotten away with murder if it hadn't been for public pressure. The officer who killed him had been told he would not face criminal prosecution in advance of the enquiry; despite having video footage of the officer's unprovoked and aggressive attack!

The bare face cheek of it shows how much contempt some members of the police force and establishment have for the general public.


I don't think it's far fetched at all. I spoke to some London policemen during a protest and they fully supported the protesters. Right now I believe many of them are doing a job to feed their families, but when it comes down to the wire, I believe many know exactly what's going on and will be with the people.

The riot police in their NWO black uniforms are a different story imo. They are being hyped and brainwashed and turned into violence machines.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by blupblup

Originally posted by Surreptitious
reply to post by HumanPLC
 


Read here for the awkward answers to your questions you don't really want to hear.

www.dailymail.co.uk...





It's the friggin' DAILY MAIL!!!

You may as well link the BNP website to give us a fair and balanced view on Immigration...

FFS


Just stop with the right-wing, racist crap... please.
It's boring and completely see-through, you're not fooling or convincing anyone.

You are racist and xenophobic, I think we all get that now.... crawl back under your rock.


Cheers.




Someone needs to give Moonbeam here a ride back to the puzzle factory,

You must live in a total state of ignorance and my duties to the idle ignorant extend no further than making the basic facts available.

"Mark Duggan, 29, was in a car being followed by police during a covert operation on Thursday.

But Duggan, a known offender from London’s notorious Broadwater Farm Estate, became aware that he was being followed and opened fire on the officers.
He shot the officer from Scotland Yard’s elite firearms squad CO19 in the side of his chest with a handgun.
The bullet lodged in the police radio that the undercover officer was carrying in a side pocket.
Armed officers shot the gunman dead seconds later.

Residents said at least three shots were fired when officers swooped during the evening rush hour at about 6.15pm.
The Evening Standard quoted the dead man's girlfriend Simone Wilson, 29, as saying she was 'shocked' to learn her boyfriend of 13 years was carrying a gun.
A witness said the shooting took place near a bus stop and medics tried to save the man’s life as he lay in the street.

One witness said the victim was an ‘elder’ from the Broadwater Farm Estate, a short distance away.

The phrase is used to describe people who are well known and respected by residents.
Broadwater Farm was the scene of violent riots that led to the death of Pc Keith Blakelock in 1985.
One source said: ‘We can only hope that the backlash from the community is not severe – it is effectively a death in custody.’

Miss Wilson said Mr Duggan, also known as Starrish Mark, had become increasingly paranoid after a cousin was stabbed to death in a nightclub in March.
A police spokesman said: ‘The Directorate of Professional Standards and Independent Police Complaints Commission have been informed.’
An IPCC spokesman said that at around 6.15pm yesterday officers from Trident, accompanied by officers from the Specialist Firearms Command (CO19), stopped a minicab to carry out an arrest.
'Shots were fired and a 29-year-old man, who was a passenger in the cab, died at the scene,' he said.
The attempted arrest was part of a pre-planned operation under Trident.
It is believed that two shots were fired by a firearms officer, equipped with a Heckler & Koch MP5 carbine. A non-police issue handgun was recovered at the scene.
An officer's radio which appears to have a bullet lodged in it has also been recovered.
'Both the radio and the handgun are being sent for expedited forensic tests,' the spokesman added.

He would not state the extent of the officer's injuries, but revealed he had since been discharged from hospital.
The shooting took place on the Ferry Lane bridge, next to Tottenham Hale Tube station."

I know it's Sunday but please try to shake yourself from that stupor.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:16 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Surreptitious
For a complete view of this incident and photograph of Gansta Mark Duggan, (not looking anything like a Gansta hold his hand and fingers to look like a GUN) can be found in the link below:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You can 'fire' insults and call me vulgar names all day long, I won't be drawn into the argument you so desperatly want with me, as I can see, you are showing your true 'colors'


Regards.


It's an observation based on fact. You are a liar. You proved it with your outrageous lies about the Greek riots.


Really??

Please proving links etc, to prove I am a liar.

....waiting....


I need to provide no links. You made the claim that the troubles in Greece following the shooting of Alexandros Grigoropoulos were mainly caused by non-white people. When evidently most the protesters and rioters were white. Which anyone with eyes can tell you.

Now it's on you to back up your duck tales with evidence of your racist accusations.

You're a liar and everyone here knows it.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by blupblup
 

Jesus Blupblup - stop calling people racist please.

People are just making observations. Stop being pathetically politically correct and use your brain and heart as opposed to attacking any evidence that people are posting.

This man had a GUN on him. He was hardly going to a childrens party was he?

And now you're defending the rioters and violent people.
Shame on you.



Er... what?

Shame on you for not having a clue...


I am calling ONE person racist and it's for several comments like this.




Originally posted by Surreptitious
Mainly black and immigrant criminal gangs, who are infesting London and most major UK cities.

Just look what happens, they don't like 'one of their own' being treated to a taste of their own medicine.

I find it interesting that a few members on here find it impossible to condone the actions of these black thugs.

Why is that? (I already know why)
Regards.




Perhaps read the thread and get an understanding before you spout off yeah?



Most people have seen what this poster has said and alluded to and the "agenda" he has and his dislike for immigrants and non-whites... as I said, read the thread, catch up a bit yeah?


And where the F did I defend the rioters?

Seriously.... WTF are you talking about?

Please point out where I defended them.... the only mention I made of the rioters is that this CANNOT be condoned because the attacked people and business and the flats above those businesses.... I suggest you go back to bed and get out the right side... Okay?

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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Let's wait until we have the full facts.

I'm sure this man will turn out to be an innocent, tax-paying, wholesome member of the community on his way to a charity water-pistol fight.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
Let's wait until we have the full facts.

I'm sure this man will turn out to be an innocent, tax-paying, wholesome member of the community on his way to a charity water-pistol fight.


Exactly. And I'm sure our more *ahem * PC members will correct is assuming that armed police are only allowed to shoot white people. Anyone else is excempt, because 'it's racist'.




posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:22 AM
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reply to post by NadaCambia
 


Prove me wrong...

Quite simply you can't.

I have given you several opportunities to disprove me and so far you have utterly failed and lowered yourself to making vulgar personal insults towards me.

Go away.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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This Gansta Duggan guy, had he taken up taxi driving for a living or was he, more likely a passenger in a cab, in which case the best person to ask what really happened would be the cab driver. Or has he just died from a mysterious illness recently or something ?



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Interesting short article outlining a typical

Anatomy Of A Riot


Who are these rioters? Studies show that they are mostly young single men on the margins of society, less educated, often unemployed and usually anti-social. They also tend to have a spontaneous nature and readily take risks to meet their need for exciting experiences.

Most likely to escalate crowd disturbances are men who attend events solely to watch fights and those who have recently been involved in an altercation.



www.psychologytoday.com...



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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As you're avoiding my reply (cos you have no clue what you're talking about) could you at least explain one thing... this little bit... a response would be nice.


Originally posted by blupblup
And where the F did I defend the rioters?

Seriously.... WTF are you talking about?

Please point out where I defended them.... the only mention I made of the rioters is that this CANNOT be condoned because the attacked people and business and the flats above those businesses.... I suggest you go back to bed and get out the right side... Okay?



Here' s a clue: You wont find me defending the rioters because I didn't.
So get your facts right....
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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious
reply to post by HumanPLC
 


Read here for the awkward answers to your questions you don't really want to hear.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The photograph of Gangsta number #1 Mark Duggan, where he is displaying a GUN using his hand gesture, is presumably for a medical condition he has in his right hand, called an "itchy trigger finger".

Interestingly, only cured by being shot and killed.


Regards.



Mate, its a tabloid newspaper showing a picture of a person making a gesture with their hand, how does this make him a gangster. I would even go as far as to question if that is even a gun symbol he is making.

Assuming it is, making a gun symbol with his hand does not make him a gangster...He was posing for a photograph, how do we know it wasnt just a case of him giving it the big i am..

Also, im only taking the mick with this one but... If he had a gun then why would he need to use his hand as a pretend one, lol.

Chat soon mate



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious
reply to post by NadaCambia
 


Prove me wrong...

Quite simply you can't.

I have given you several opportunities to disprove me and so far you have utterly failed and lowered yourself to making vulgar personal insults towards me.

Go away.



I don't have to prove you wrong. You're the one making wild claims that have not a single shred of evidence. The onus is on you to back up your disgusting and vile lies.

However, simply to highlight to others that you're a liar I will 'prove' that you are lying.

Go to Gettyimages.com editorial section and search "Alexandros Grigoropoulos". I spot not one black protester.

Or go to Google images and search "Alexandros Grigoropoulos riot" or "Alexandros Grigoropoulos protest", I spot not one black protester.

Or go to Youtube and search "Alexandros Grigoropoulos", again I spot 0 black protesters/rioters.

In fact, you have more chance of finding Waldo in the middle of that than do you do an African. But I'm sure you'll troll the depths of the internet to find 1 token black man and "prove" me wrong... Am I right?

How dare you accuse me of lying.
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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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reply to post by blupblup
 


I was referring to your attitude of calling everyone racist who disagreed with your views (and swearing)


Typical racist bollocks.

You're showing your colours now, good...



What a racist moron...



Just stop with the right-wing, racist crap... please.
It's boring and completely see-through, you're not fooling or convincing anyone.

You are racist and xenophobic, I think we all get that now.... crawl back under your rock.


Basically anyone who disagrees with you is talking 'bollock's, a racist, a moron, a right winger or lives under a rock.

That is what I'm referring to. Also check the T+C - swearing and name calling is not allowed here.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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Whats really worrying here is the very short time taken for the area to descend into chaos.

In my view it shows the underlying disatifaction in society and how it might take just a small incident to spark a serious revolution type uprising against authorities.

Nobody seriously wants to see that happen of course, but if it did, i wouldn't blame the rioters, I would blame those currently in authority for allowing the situation to develop.

The Police Commander in this area should step down right away as he obviously has no idea what is going on.

Accountability is lacking among the higher eschelons. The gap between the haves and the have nots is widening.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by HumanPLC

Originally posted by Surreptitious
reply to post by HumanPLC
 


Read here for the awkward answers to your questions you don't really want to hear.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The photograph of Gangsta number #1 Mark Duggan, where he is displaying a GUN using his hand gesture, is presumably for a medical condition he has in his right hand, called an "itchy trigger finger".

Interestingly, only cured by being shot and killed.


Regards.



Mate, its a tabloid newspaper showing a picture of a person making a gesture with their hand, how does this make him a gangster. I would even go as far as to question if that is even a gun symbol he is making.

Assuming it is, making a gun symbol with his hand does not make him a gangster...He was posing for a photograph, how do we know it wasnt just a case of him giving it the big i am..

Also, im only taking the mick with this one but... If he had a gun then why would he need to use his hand as a pretend one, lol.

Chat soon mate


I guess because SuperSnaps wouldn't process his Gansta pics with the real Gun.. lol

He was a Gangsta, he lived by the Gun and guess what, he died by the Gun... no supprise there.

His Gansta gang mates, go on a full scale riot, loot everything, burn everything, destry... no supprise there.

One or Two 'members' here on ATS, have today clearly demonstrated how it is possible to makes posts exceeding +8K, each and every one saturated with vitriolic puerile miasma.



Regards.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:37 AM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
reply to post by blupblup
 


I was referring to your attitude of calling everyone racist who disagreed with your views (and swearing)




As I said, it's THE SAME PERSON!!!!

FFS

And this person IS racist.

Do you see the other 2 or 3 people who are still debating him now? They are doing so because of his vile and RACIST lies in this very thread... the thread you cannot be bothered to read, which you skimmed and saw me arguing and calling THE SAME PERSON racist and decided to attack me.

Seriously... what is your problem..

You're talking crap mate.








Basically anyone who disagrees with you is talking 'bollock's, a racist, a moron, a right winger or lives under a rock.

That is what I'm referring to. Also check the T+C - swearing and name calling is not allowed here.




No.... the Person who has posted Racist nonsense got called a racist.

The other person who made an ALL CAPS post about the genocide of the White race was called a racist moron, and he is.


Seriously, put the shovel down, relax, read the thread, get your facts right and come back and apologise as a decent person would do.
You were wrong, falsely accused me and are STILL trying to defend your misjudged attack.


Oh yeah... still waiting for the posts where I defended the rioters.... I don't mind being insulted and called PC and a Lefty and all that.... but You're LYING about me... that is not cool man.


YOU ARE A LIAR and you can't back it up.


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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Why do we even have cops in the West anymore? They do not do a damn thing unless you consider standing around watching while thugs and gangsters burn down and loot private property, attack your partners, and cause disaster. I mean look at the video, these cops are not doing a darn thing except standing around.



What will it take for police and people to say enough is enough? Perhaps when enough violence occurs, loved ones are lost, and stores are ransacked will they finally decide to do something about urban crime. “But what would you have the police do? They are outnumbered”. To that I would say it is a perfect time for some target practice with one of those guns with rubber bullets. Start shooting at anyone who is damaging property, harming another person, or stealing, people must be told what to do you cannot stand around and watch.

The police which this riot was aimed at did the right thing. With the gun laws in England that thug in the taxi should not have been carrying a firearm and definitely should not shoot at police. What do people expect to happen? He shoots with obvious intention to kill the police officers so they rightfully shot back and got rid of him, no harm no foul. It is better his children be raised by the state than by someone like him anyway.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Surreptitious
reply to post by NadaCambia
 


Prove me wrong...

Quite simply you can't.

I have given you several opportunities to disprove me and so far you have utterly failed and lowered yourself to making vulgar personal insults towards me.

Go away.



I don't have to prove you wrong. You're the one making wild claims that have not a single shred of evidence. The onus is on you to back up your disgusting and vile lies.

However, simply to highlight to others that you're a liar I will 'prove' that you are lying.

Go to Gettyimages.com editorial section and search "Alexandros Grigoropoulos". I spot not one black protester.

Or go to Google images and search "Alexandros Grigoropoulos riot" or "Alexandros Grigoropoulos protest", I spot not one black protester.

Or go to Youtube and search "Alexandros Grigoropoulos", again I spot 0 black protesters/rioters.

In fact, you have more chance of finding Waldo in the middle of that than do you do an African. But I'm sure you'll troll the depths of the internet to find 1 token black man and "prove" me wrong... Am I right?

How dare you accuse me of lying.
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If you cannot provide any facts to disprove me then there is nothing more to be discussed.

Goodbye.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:43 AM
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ok, still have no clue who is who here. so i'll post this from an american view.

you guys are messed up,

i can't tell who for what in this thread.

i know this is not the US but most of you guys would be screaming about the fascist racist police brutality and the rabid gun culture.

the dude had a gun, the cops took him out after he fired at them and they only firing 3 shots.

nice shooting guys.

and then people riot even giving his history.

it's all bad and sad.



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