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Riots in Tottenham, London

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:51 AM
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Do you support the killing of innocent people by the police?. it happens a lot.

Is it right to shoot at the police?, is it right to expect the police to be fair and honest in all aspects of their job?
Is it right to expect the police to police themselves?.
is it right for ian tomlinsons killer to get off with a "murder" because he is in uniform?.

At what point do the police stop being the police and become criminals themselves?.

If it was me or you under investigation for ian tomlinsons death, we wouldn't have a coroner go into bat for us, a police commander standing in the way of investigation at every juncture, we couldn't blame the job for causing stress.
ALL WE could expect is for the crown prosecution service/DA to attempt to prosecute us under the full weight of the law for the biggest charge they could stick on you.

People will begin to lawfully defend themselves against aggressive malicious policing eventually, the police being allowed to do whatever they want to whomever they want is slowly converging with the publics feeling that they should defend themselves against any form of unwarranted police aggression.

I can see it happening now, not just in the uk but the world over, the respect of the police by the public seems to be slowly evaporating, every-time the police kill someone in custody or use more force than is necessary, the public are paying attention.

The police are being seen to be what they are based solely on their actions, it can be seen that time after time the "here to protect you" meme is nothing more than glib public relations speak.
They are creating the bad feeling people have for them, they are in a position of power that requires 100% care and responsibility 100% of the time, if they do not have the dedication to the oath they have taken then "accidents" are bound to happen, and they do.

People never used to fear the police, they used to respect them, even the old time crims had a certain level of professional respect for their opposition, but now they're seen as nothing more than dirty f*cking scum.
There are some good police officers, there are some that do not like the system the way it is either, too many though are all to eager to do their masters bidding knowing that the command level will go out of their way to cover their asses in the event of a big "Mistake" this means that the officer on the street ass is covered, and a "i'll scratch your back, you take care of the inquest, (if it gets that far lol)" symbiosis is in effect.
This is coupled in an arterial manner with freemasonry, brothers take care of brothers the police and gang members are the same thing.

The public see it, they are not stupid, when the tipping point is reached the uk will be burnt to the ground, the moment a big riot breaks out in one city you can bet your life riots will take place in other cities, it has happened before and the BBC does not report it for fear it will spark other cities off.

All it will take are for a couple of events to take place on the same day with well connected local people becoming "victims" of bad policing in different cities, for the police to not be 100% vigilant with their own rules and it begins.

Do not forget that the local people will know what happens, they will know the truth no matter what the local silver commanders report says that goes up to the gold commanders desk, on the front of the jacket it will say Report into the current ongoing incident and its reasons for starting.
Our best "understanding" of what caused the events.
(CMOA).




posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious
Mainly black and immigrant criminal gangs, who are infesting London and most major UK cities.

Just look what happens, they don't like 'one of their own' being treated to a taste of their own medicine.



Typical racist bollocks.

You're showing your colours now, good...




Originally posted by Surreptitious
I find it interesting that a few members on here find it impossible to condone the actions of these black thugs.

Why is that? (I already know why)



Why would anyone condone this?

They targeted people and business... set fire to buildings with flats above and endangered lives?



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Surreptitious

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by studio500
3) Had a white person been shot by Police, would we be now looking at mass rioting?


Yes. There's plenty of communities in the UK that would see the same reaction were the local community to believe a local had been murdered without justification by the Police.

Police stations are attacked up and down the country quite frequently, without much cause.

Plenty of riots last year in Greece when the police shot someone


Interestingly it was exactly the same "type" of gangs unvolved in Greece as well as here in Tottenham and for exactly the same reasons, they love and thrive on chaos.

Regards.


What "type" of gangs would these be?




You already know what "type" of gangs I am discussing.

Don't you...


I have an idea but ideally I wanted to confirm before branding you a vulgar liar.

Anyone on ATS can look up the riots in Greece and the incident I'm referring to and confirm for themselves that the overwhelming majority of protesters weren't that "type". You destroy any credibility you might have had with such a ridiculous lie.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious

Originally posted by HumanPLC

Originally posted by Surreptitious

Gangsta number #1 MARK DUGGAN was killed by SO19, a tactical firearm unit the Police use mainly for TERRORIST operations, such was the danger of Mark Duggan.



You cant say that someone was dangerous just because of the police unit that was used, look at Jean Charles de Menezes. By your argument he also must have been a very dangerous person.
edit on 7/8/11 by HumanPLC because: (no reason given)


I can say that and here is why.

The SO19 are only used in operations where the most DANGEROUS TERRORISTS or CRIMINALS are involved.

THE "TSG" or Tactical Support Group are used for 'normal' criminals.

Mark Duggan was a Gangsta, sorry if actual facts throw a spanner in your works.

Regards.


My friend, you can say whatever you like however i think a more realistic observation would be to state that

"SO19 are only used in operations where the most DANGEROUS TERRORISTS or CRIMINALS are suspected of being involved."

Also, as you state that it is a fact that he was a gangster then im sure you will have no issue with verifying this fact with a link or some other evidence to support this.

have a good day mate

edit on 7/8/11 by HumanPLC because: spelling

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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by pazcat
Don't shoot at cops first then if you don't want them to shoot at you.
Just sayin'.


How come the cops were armed? Unless they knew in advance he was carrying a weapon, armed police wouldn't be involved.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Sicul2012
reply to post by Tachalka
 


[SNIP]


No, it's hatred and bigotry which is the cancer in our world.
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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Sicul2012
reply to post by Tachalka
 


[SNIP]


What? What does any of that have to do with this thread?

What a racist moron...

edit on 7-8-2011 by dbates because: removed quoted text



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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For a complete view of this incident and photograph of Gansta Mark Duggan, (not looking anything like a Gansta hold his hand and fingers to look like a GUN) can be found in the link below:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You can 'fire' insults and call me vulgar names all day long, I won't be drawn into the argument you so desperatly want with me, as I can see, you are showing your true 'colors'


Regards.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by nakiannunaki

Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by nakiannunaki
It isnt about social depravity or you would see all the different communities acting in the same way.


Ah, so communities with only white people have no violence or gangs! That explains Scotland and half of Eastern Europe




I was talking about all the different communities in London not the world...


Of course you were, because speaking about London alone gives the illusion of you having a valid argument. In London with a massive amount of non-white people, there is a massive amount of non-white crime. I mean that stands to reason, you don't have to be Einstein to know that.

But why not look at the communities in Europe, or the UK, or England, where there's massive amounts of crime and violent crime and only a small number of non-whites.

London is safer than Glasgow



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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The majority of the reports about the incident say that a minicab was pulled over with Duggan in it, a shot was fired and the police shot back. A bullet was later found in the policeman’s radio.

Granted yes all we have is reports and no hard evidence but that is the main story coming about.

It is also very rare for the police to carry guns with them unless they are either responding to an incident where a gun is present or the police are in an airport or major train station.

There would have been a reason for these officers to be carrying guns.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious
For a complete view of this incident and photograph of Gansta Mark Duggan, (not looking anything like a Gansta hold his hand and fingers to look like a GUN) can be found in the link below:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You can 'fire' insults and call me vulgar names all day long, I won't be drawn into the argument you so desperatly want with me, as I can see, you are showing your true 'colors'


Regards.


It's an observation based on fact. You are a liar. You proved it with your outrageous lies about the Greek riots.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by pazcat
Don't shoot at cops first then if you don't want them to shoot at you.
Just sayin'.


How come the cops were armed? Unless they knew in advance he was carrying a weapon, armed police wouldn't be involved.

It was pre-planned. The man was no stranger to the police.


Duggan, known by the street name Starrish Mark, was a so-called gangsta member of North London's Tottenham Man Dem gang, which has links to Jamaica's ruthless Yardies. Cops from the Met Police Operation Trident, which tackles gun crime in London's black community, had him under surveillance amid fears he was about to avenge the killing of his rapper cousin Kevin Easton, 23.

That's from The Sun
www.thesun.co.uk...



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:04 AM
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This is really upsetting me not only because i used to live pretty close to Tottenham and I still see London as my second home, but also because it is reminding me of what times we are living in. This is not the only place that is seeing this type of extreeme violence for (yes I am sure they had their reasons) but not reason enough to cause all of that. I hate to be the one to highlight the 'way out there' theories but this has been foreseen. (Meaning general growth in violent behaviour all over the world in this and coming years.) Sigh* If people could only stop for a moment and find their way back to a balances way of thinking. There are things that need to be done about injustice ( I am sure many of the people who rioted did so for more reasons than that this gangster member got shot - there are always more than one underlying cause to any which problem) in many places but not like this. The people of England or the whole of the U.K and Ireland for that matter should know that it does not bring anything good with it. As for all the race related mumbo jumbo on here. There is something wrong with some human beings that thrive on violence .... this as we all know if we digg a little deeper into our memory banks and not to distant past afflicts all the races, religions and political factions. But as always we see only what we want to see. Perhaps it is time to look through all the windows for the complete 3D-picture???

My heart and soul goes out to all the innocents in this who no doubt will be the ones to suffer the most


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posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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Read here for the awkward answers to your questions you don't really want to hear.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

The photograph of Gangsta number #1 Mark Duggan, where he is displaying a GUN using his hand gesture, is presumably for a medical condition he has in his right hand, called an "itchy trigger finger".

Interestingly, only cured by being shot and killed.


Regards.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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One of the great ironies of the current situation is that future white, middle aged, male looters may well be former policemen.

Think that's far fetched? With the cuts to the police force, due again to the government/banking collusion bail out, great numbers will be finding themselves unemployed in the near future. When they are no longer a part of the force, they too will be confronted by the harsh reality of justice being the preserve of those who can pay for it or have friends who can pervert it.

On the subject of Ian Tomlinson, as the previous poster mentioned, the police would literally have gotten away with murder if it hadn't been for public pressure. The officer who killed him had been told he would not face criminal prosecution in advance of the enquiry; despite having video footage of the officer's unprovoked and aggressive attack!

The bare face cheek of it shows how much contempt some members of the police force and establishment have for the general public.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Surreptitious
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Read here for the awkward answers to your questions you don't really want to hear.

www.dailymail.co.uk...





It's the friggin' DAILY MAIL!!!

You may as well link the BNP website to give us a fair and balanced view on Immigration...

FFS


Just stop with the right-wing, racist crap... please.
It's boring and completely see-through, you're not fooling or convincing anyone.

You are racist and xenophobic, I think we all get that now.... crawl back under your rock.


Cheers.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

Originally posted by wcitizen

Originally posted by pazcat
Don't shoot at cops first then if you don't want them to shoot at you.
Just sayin'.


How come the cops were armed? Unless they knew in advance he was carrying a weapon, armed police wouldn't be involved.

It was pre-planned. The man was no stranger to the police.


Duggan, known by the street name Starrish Mark, was a so-called gangsta member of North London's Tottenham Man Dem gang, which has links to Jamaica's ruthless Yardies. Cops from the Met Police Operation Trident, which tackles gun crime in London's black community, had him under surveillance amid fears he was about to avenge the killing of his rapper cousin Kevin Easton, 23.

That's from The Sun
www.thesun.co.uk...


Thank you.



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by NadaCambia

Originally posted by Surreptitious
For a complete view of this incident and photograph of Gansta Mark Duggan, (not looking anything like a Gansta hold his hand and fingers to look like a GUN) can be found in the link below:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

You can 'fire' insults and call me vulgar names all day long, I won't be drawn into the argument you so desperatly want with me, as I can see, you are showing your true 'colors'


Regards.


It's an observation based on fact. You are a liar. You proved it with your outrageous lies about the Greek riots.


Really??

Please proving links etc, to prove I am a liar.

....waiting....



posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 07:11 AM
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Jesus Blupblup - stop calling people racist please.

People are just making observations. Stop being pathetically politically correct and use your brain and heart as opposed to attacking any evidence that people are posting.

This man had a GUN on him. He was hardly going to a childrens party was he?

And now you're defending the rioters and violent people.

Shame on you.



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