The Great Hiroshima Cover-Up

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

500,000 purple hearts had been made in advance......

Originally posted by Bullcookies

One other little note the US had 1 million purple hearts made in preparation of a land invasion.

Anyone care to go for 1.5 million?

Originally posted by spoor

Originally posted by Golden Rule
If the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan was int4entioned to bring the war to a speedy halt as has been propositioned then the bombs would have targeted military installations - naval bases, armament factories etc.

they DID target military targets, why do you ignore a number of military camps were located nearby, including the headquarters of the Fifth Division and Field Marshal Shunroku Hata's 2nd General Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. Hiroshima was a minor supply and logistics base for the Japanese military. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops
The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great wartime importance because of its wide-ranging industrial activity, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.

of course you ignore them, as you are just an apologist for the Japanese, trying to blame the USA instead of the real culprit, Japan. remember, japan could have surrendered at any time, but refused to.

Carpet fire bombing is indescriminate and does not just target military targets.

While its true that fire bombing and nuking cities in WW2 was bad, what was the alternative?
It was a war of survival against implacable enemies that sought to wipe out democracy.
For every Dresden there was a Coventry.

Ultimately less Japanese died because the US used 2 nukes than would have if they had carried on with conventional means.
You should also remember that the Japanese would have killed those POWs that had so far survived their barbarism in the event of an invasion of the home islands.

Originally posted by JennaDarling
Carpet fire bombing is indescriminate and does not just target military targets.

It targets valid targets - if japan did not want to get carpet bombed then it should not have attacked other countries!

Why do you ignore the fact that Japan could have surrendered, but refused to?

sad yes, however they drew first blood by attacking pearl harbor and they would not give up until we showed them we wernt playing by hitting one of their cities, their government had their chance to stop but they refusred. And of course the USA wanted to keep a lid on those picturese because as ghastly as they were it had to be done and after the war everyone wanted to move on and repair the war torn world, I really wouldnt call it a cover up so much as to try to move on.

It is useless and futile to talk about the reasons, guilt and what so ever,
many People done this already and get Heart-Attacks!

Maybe Hiroshima was "typical" for that Time?
Maybe it was even logical and the final Goal?
Maybe Hiroshima was one of the biggest Perversity
in a pervert Battle?

reply to post by Dr Expired


Ya people forget they was a coup against Hirohito when he's about to announce the surrender (Kyūjō Incident). en.wikipedia.org...

Besides the USAAF bombers even struck Tokyo in March 1945 with a large amount of napalms and cause more damage as the A-bombs were.

Besides if Japan was about to surrender why surrender until the 2nd bomb?

Anyone heard of Total war? It always involves both civilians and government working together. You need a massive civilian population. Without a massive civilian population, then the war-machine won't run. So it's no wonder why Allied bomber even dropped thousands of bombs into many military cities.

War isn't fair, it's killed or be killed.

Originally posted by Human0815

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul


the nukes turned out to be humane, cheap and effective compared with the alternatives

I would like to invite you to speak with some People of that Place
as well as from that Time!

I'd love to - how about some WW2 GI & Commonwealth Veterans - you can tell them why anything up to a million of them should ahve died - along with maybe several million Japanese - and millions more injured.

And I'll tell them why the atomic bombings weer a better alternative.

As longs as we speak in Numbers, Calculations and which Numbers are Tolerable
we have not learned anything.

And as long as we ignore historical reality we are living in la-la land.

there WAS a war, there WAS a fanatical resistance by many Japanese, there WAS a plan to invade the homeland Islands.

Wishing that there as some other circumstance is pointless.

Ps: it is very difficult to understand the Road which lead to Hiroshima
but it was not only the Guilt of Japan alone.

Japan learned from The UK, from France and Germany and of course from the US of A.
(Imperialism)
that it will be impossible to play a Major Role without Territories and
"Protectorates" in the South of Asia,

Very true - and completely irrelevant - what is your solution to the war situation that existed in June of 1995??

also they wanted to keep Asia in Asian Hands.

Half truth - they wanted to keep it in Japanese hands - they certainly did not see other Asians as being worthy in any way shape or form and were just as happy to lord it over China, Malaya, Vietnam, Korea, etc, as Europeans were.

How do you think the victims of the Nanking massacre felt about Asian solidarity??

This whole Historical Story is so complex and without bringing Light into it
all the Victims, no matter where they came from,
are died for nothing

True - but irrelevant to my point, and, moreover, somewhat circular....

I think the world learned a huge amount from WW2 and the atom bombings - and that is at least one of the reasons why there hasn't been a war like it since, nor any more nuclear attacks.

And how could we have learned from them if they didn't happen??

I tell you an alternative scenario that you won't like:

1/ the atom bombs are seen as too risky - invasion goes ahead - millions are killed and more millions wounded.

2/ "the west" is gutted by suffering more causualties in 6 months fighting in the home islands than in all of the rest of the war combined

3/ The USSR and Chicom quickly over-run the nationalists in china

4/ They see the west on the ropes and when the USSR blockades Berlin in 1948 it quickly starved into submission. In 1949 they invade West Germany.....

5/ Completley war weary, and unable to field enough conventional forces, with no idea what is going to happen, "the west" atom bombs Moscow, Leningrad, Kiev and Minsk.....

I'm sure you can construct your own story line after that - what if the USSR has it's own bombs by then? What if they don't??

Originally posted by vox2442

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

500,000 purple hearts had been made in advance......

Originally posted by Bullcookies

One other little note the US had 1 million purple hearts made in preparation of a land invasion.

Anyone care to go for 1.5 million?

dunno where the 1 million figure comes from - my 500k figure comes from here - www.purplehearts.net... -

Type IV (1970's-current): bronze gilt, plastic heart, unnumbered, crimp brooch. No Purple Hearts were manufactured for the Army for 25 years after WWII. In anticipation of the invasion of Japan, approximately 500,000 Purple Hearts were manufactured. This stock lasted through the Vietnam War.

reply to post by spoor


How do you think we would view it if Japan dropped the bomb on us?

A single decision change in history, that could have been the case.
Try not to forget that a crime is still a crime. We killed innocent people. We can rationalize all we want, but we still killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, to which there was not even a body to bury or remember.

Originally posted by Miraj
Try not to forget that a crime is still a crime

And dropping the bombs on japan was NOT a crime!

We killed innocent people

We did? blame the government of Japan then, as they were the cause of that.

but we still killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people,

no we didnt.

Why are you a apologist for japan?

The History of War is written by the Winner
and never by the Vox Populi!

The reason why i started this Thread is because the US-Americans
hided the Pain and Suffering of the People in Hiroshima from his own
Citizens, this is the Reason why i started this in the Disinformation-Branch.
Until today the Bomb is claimed and named to be a good Solution!
This is not true!

And as i mentioned in my first Post i want to avoid US/Japan Bashing!

PS: do the US People knew that the Bombs killed more than 20.000 Slave Workers from Korea?

And do the People know that the Japanese Government forbid a Monument in the
Honor of this People until today at Ground Zero?

Originally posted by Human0815
The History of War is written by the Winner
and never by the Vox Populi!

The reason why i started this Thread is because the US-Americans
hided the Pain and Suffering of the People in Hiroshima from his own
Citizens, this is the Reason why i started this in the Disinformation-Branch.
Until today the Bomb is claimed and named to be a good Solution!
This is not true!

And as i mentioned in my first Post i want to avoid US/Japan Bashing!

PS: do the US People knew that the Bombs killed more than 20.000 Slave Workers from Korea?

And do the People know that the Japanese Government forbid a Monument in the
Honor of this People until today at Ground Zero?

Hey if that' so, why did the Japanese government prior to the A-bombs trained men, women, and kids to fight. Anyone who doing is considered a combatant.

The Koreans and the Chinese still hates you.

Originally posted by Paulioetc15

Originally posted by Human0815
The History of War is written by the Winner
and never by the Vox Populi!

The reason why i started this Thread is because the US-Americans
hided the Pain and Suffering of the People in Hiroshima from his own
Citizens, this is the Reason why i started this in the Disinformation-Branch.
Until today the Bomb is claimed and named to be a good Solution!
This is not true!

And as i mentioned in my first Post i want to avoid US/Japan Bashing!

PS: do the US People knew that the Bombs killed more than 20.000 Slave Workers from Korea?

And do the People know that the Japanese Government forbid a Monument in the
Honor of this People until today at Ground Zero?

The Koreans and the Chinese still hates you.

I am sure for 100% that you are wrong,
normally everyone likes "me"!

Of course the Japanese try to train everyone,
every Nation is doing so.

The former Russian Union, the Britons as well as the Germans
and the US of A., all of them done so!

This Training is also a good Observation Point for
the Secret Service!

In my Research i came to a point where i asked my self:
"Why do a Buddhist/ Zen Nation (incl. Monks and Priest) went to war",
please try to research this by your own.
This may help to understand the crazyness of that Time!