Originally posted by Human0815
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
the nukes turned out to be humane, cheap and effective compared with the alternatives
I would like to invite you to speak with some People of that Place
as well as from that Time!
I'd love to - how about some WW2 GI & Commonwealth Veterans - you can tell them why anything up to a million of them should ahve died - along with
maybe several million Japanese - and millions more injured.
And I'll tell them why the atomic bombings weer a better alternative.
As longs as we speak in Numbers, Calculations and which Numbers are Tolerable
we have not learned anything.
And as long as we ignore historical reality we are living in la-la land.
there WAS a war, there WAS a fanatical resistance by many Japanese, there WAS a plan to invade the homeland Islands.
Wishing that there as some other circumstance is pointless.
Ps: it is very difficult to understand the Road which lead to Hiroshima
but it was not only the Guilt of Japan alone.
Japan learned from The UK, from France and Germany and of course from the US of A.
that it will be impossible to play a Major Role without Territories and
"Protectorates" in the South of Asia,
Very true - and completely irrelevant - what is your solution to the war situation that existed in June of 1995??
also they wanted to keep Asia in Asian Hands.
Half truth - they wanted to keep it in Japanese hands - they certainly did not see other Asians as being worthy in any way shape or form and were just
as happy to lord it over China, Malaya, Vietnam, Korea, etc, as Europeans were.
How do you think the victims of the Nanking massacre felt about Asian solidarity??
This whole Historical Story is so complex and without bringing Light into it
all the Victims, no matter where they came from,
are died for nothing
True - but irrelevant to my point, and, moreover, somewhat circular....
I think the world learned a huge amount from WW2 and the atom bombings - and that is at least one of the reasons why there hasn't been a war like it
since, nor any more nuclear attacks.
And how could we have learned from them if they didn't happen??
I tell you an alternative scenario that you won't like:
1/ the atom bombs are seen as too risky - invasion goes ahead - millions are killed and more millions wounded.
2/ "the west" is gutted by suffering more causualties in 6 months fighting in the home islands than in all of the rest of the war combined
3/ The USSR and Chicom quickly over-run the nationalists in china
4/ They see the west on the ropes and when the USSR blockades Berlin in 1948 it quickly starved into submission. In 1949 they invade West
5/ Completley war weary, and unable to field enough conventional forces, with no idea what is going to happen, "the west" atom bombs Moscow,
Leningrad, Kiev and Minsk.....
I'm sure you can construct your own story line after that - what if the USSR has it's own bombs by then? What if they don't??
edit on 24-8-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)