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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Xcathdra
Yes, it appears though to be fully intact and sitting on a wall?
So, that can not be a photo of the actual helo?
Originally posted by Steve8511
As flightcrew on 53's I have never "combat loaded" that many at one time before.
Sounds like someone isn't telling the whole story. 38 combat loaded down, combined with bullet proof matting,crew weapons and say maybe 1600 rnds.... That's heavy.
I would believe 2 helicopters crashing together before I'd think anyone was this irresponsible.
Originally posted by Anusuia
reply to post by Kliskey
I guess if it was one of those big clumsy helicopters , then its understandable how it would come down in that terrain.
Too big and bluky and i bet movability is really hard .To easy a target
US to buy Russian helicopters
Russian arms export company Rosoboronexport has signed an agreement worth 300 million dollar contract with the Defense Department to supply 21 units of helicopter Mil Mi-17 multirole to Afghanistan for use in the US-led military operations.
“This is the first major contract signed with Russia that the U.S. Defense Department,” said Sergei Prikhodko, an aide to the foreign policy Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, RIA Novosti news agency reported on Saturday, yesterday (28 / 5).
The US has already spent $648 million on 31 civilian M-17s which it customised for military use in Afghanistan, primarily to transport troops and equipment.
Originally posted by fooks
reply to post by buni11687
chinook, slow and big.
we won't hear about the retaliation.
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
Is this an Retaliation from him, Or for the Pakistanis re Osama Raid?
Originally posted by gladtobehere
The Afghans have no "intelligence services" to speak of and the Pakistani's ISI is crude at best. Contrary to media hype, the remaining culprits, "Taliban, insurgents", tribesmen etc. are much too rudimentary.
The ISI has become a state within a state, answerable neither to the leadership of the army, nor to the President or the Prime Minister. The result is there has been no real supervision of the ISI, and corruption, narcotics, and big money have all come into play, further complicating the political scenario. Drug money was used by ISI to finance not only the Afghanistan war, but also the proxy war against India in Punjab and Kashmir.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee deals with all problems bearing on the military aspects of state security and is charged with integrating and coordinating the three services. Affiliated with the committee are the offices of the engineer in chief, the director general of medical service, the Director of Inter-Services Public Relations, and the Director of Inter-Services Intelligence.
Staffed by hundreds of civilian and military officers, and thousands of other workers, the agency's headquarters is located in Islamabad. The ISI reportedly has a total of about 10,000 officers and staff members, a number which does not include informants and assets. It is reportedly organized into between six and eight divisions:
The Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence is of particular importance at the joint services level. The directorate's importance derives from the fact that the agency is charged with managing covert operations outside of Pakistan -- whether in Afghanistan, Kashmir, or farther afield. The ISI supplies weapons, training, advice and planning assistance to terrorists in Punjab and Kashmir, as well as the separatist movements in the Northeast frontier areas of India.
ISI no1 On Smashing Lists for agencies in world
Its success in achieving its goal without leading to a full scale invasion of Pakistan by the Soviets is a feat unmatched by any other through out the intelligence world. KGB, The best of its time, failed to counter ISI and protect Soviet interests in Central Asia. This GOLD MEDAL makes it rank higher than Mossad. It has had 0 double agents or Defectors through out its history, considering that in light of the whole war campaign it carried out from money earned by selling drugs bought from the very people it was bleeding, The Soviets. It has protected its Nuclear Weapons since formed and it has foiled Indian attempts to attain ultimate supremacy in the South-Asian theatres through internal destabilization of India. It is above All laws in its host country Pakistan ‘A State, with in a State’. Its policies are made ‘outside’ of all other institutions with the exception of The Army. Its personnel have never been caught on camera. Its is believed to have the highest number of agents worldwide, close to 10,000. The most striking thing is that its one of the least funded Intelligence agency out of the top 10 and still the strongest.
(2010) A new report by the London School of Economics (LSE) claimed to provide the most concrete evidence yet that the ISI is providing funding, training and sanctuary to the Taliban insurgency on a scale much larger than previously thought. The report's author Matt Waldman spoke to nine Taliban field commanders in Afghanistan and concluded that Pakistan's relationship with the insurgents ran far deeper than previously realised. Some of those interviewed suggested that the organization even attended meetings of the Taliban's supreme council, the Quetta Shura. A spokesman for the Pakistani military dismissed the report, describing it as "malicious". General David Petraeus, commander of the US Central Command, refused to endorse this report in US congressional hearing and suggested that any contacts between ISI and extremists are for legitimate intelligence purposes, in his words “you have to have contact with bad guys to get intelligence on bad guys”.
Originally posted by niceguybob
Unfortunatley, whatever shot it down,could be old U.S. made weapons,or Russian Or Chinese made weapons.
WE supplied the Taliban with weapons against Russia.
Now Russia supplies weapons TO the Taliban against U.S.
Same crap different War.
May the Soldiers Rest in Peace and we get the F out of there.
It's a Design to Fail. Period.
Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
I'm not an engineer but we are supposedly technically superior and we still can't build airplanes/jets/helicopters that can withstand a missile strike and keep flying. Maybe go down after two or three dozen but not one or two. Are these airplanes/jets/helicopters just awarded to lowest bidder with minimum specifications? Wouldn't it be worth a few million more to make them almost invincible and save some military lives?
I mean just look at civilian airplanes. A flock of birds, lightening strike, ice or rupture of skin will bring one down. It's almost like they are flying tissue paper. How much would skin/wing/control surface/pitot tube heaters add to cost of a plane that flies so high in the atmosphere where icing can occur.