Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SaturnFX
To adopt a european model just won't work. (square peg/round hole) A fair tax, say 10% across the board would. No exceptions, no loopholes. If you
make 10,000 or 10 million, you pay.
Then, and only then, would I even consider talking entitlements, funded or otherwise.
you lost your mind...we could barely pave roads for that amount....much less support a standing military.
Now, a straight across the board I am not opposed to, but ya, kick it up to 30%.
However, if that was instituted, you know who would suffer the most? businesses...not because the rich are taxed though, hell, they can afford
it...its because the middle and poor are also robbed of their spending power...which means they don't buy random crap, which means companys
manufacture less and therefore sell less, firing people, etc.
You would eventually start again with the sliding scale...removing tax burdens from the middle and lower class in order to stimuate the economy with
frivilous spending...everyone benefits when joe the plumber has some extra money to spend on nonsense stuff...because he does spend it...
The sliding scale progressive tax rate wasn't just thought up to punish the rich...frankly, it is to ensure the rich become richer by allowing buying
Rich people do -not- create jobs
companys do -not- create jobs
Demand does...and thats it...demand comes from middle class with extra money to burn...every economist around the world will tell you that (that
isn't just a paid liar for a corporation).
As far as the square peg/round hole. I disagree. I think if we do things intelligently, systems like northern europe can be implemented...perhaps not
perfectly, but much better than the extra spending and less taxes nonsense we got going on today...
We are now a AA+ ratings society...we are doing something wrong...yet the AAA societys are all heavy social program countrys...thats just the facts.
We are in this mess due to unfunded entitlement programs...
Consider entitlements...ok, so Fred gets some exceptionally cheap healthcare through the gubment...great, he saves tons of money...and with that money
he saves, he purchases a bunch of stuff from the stores, which in turn stimulates the economy..
Or, he has no healthcare, and pays every single cent he makes for the next 20 years to the insurance corporations whom tuck all their money away
anyhow overseas and pays little to no taxes. Sorry, that dog doesn't hunt and the rapid deterioration of the country is hard proof of that.
This crappy corporatists old world order simply is not working...its broken, Greenspan himself said there is a flaw in his capitalist model (gee, go
figure, capitalism turns to greedy corporatism)..yet people are still cheering Greenspan's model while ignoring his correction.
The horse is dead, stop trying to ride it...talk like an adult about the issue and stop looking through the blinders of neoconservate idealism
already...or at least get some better pom poms if you demand on being just a cheerleader of a failed team.