Reheat, it was a remark based on remembering with a big smile, that funny film "Grumpy Old Men".
I'm quite sure I am as old, but probably older than you, so yes, you can count me in for the same club of "grumpy" old men. My family and friends
do indeed see me like that many times, but there is still a lot of silent love and mutual understanding left over, to keep me in balance with them and
our personal happiness.
Now that we are at it, can we try to set the cards right for the SoC or NoC flight paths subject too? That is still a brick on my shoulders, and I
want to get rid of it, one way or the other.
The moment I started to read your logical explanations based on your long aeronautical experience in that other thread I linked to above, I got
interested in your signature link :
Debunking the North of Citgo Theory
So I immediately read it.
This is your diagram with the tags R1, R2, and R3 which are the center points of the turn radii for the Morin to NoC turns.
The tags P1, P2, and P3 are the center points of the turn radii for the NoC locations to the impact point at the Pentagon.
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And I am quite puzzled by your placement of the centerpoints of your proposed arcs.
Why do you place the first set of three (R1,R2,R3), north of the witnesses? And so near?
You wrote yourself that Terry Morin said the plane followed a nearly straight line, only its tail tipped to the right when it disappeared behind the
line of trees in the western front of the CITGO. That's a description of one slight right bank just at the CITGO, while in a very gentle arc, in my
opinion. By someone with aeronautical experience, Terry Morin.
And the second set of three (P1,P2,P3), south of the witnesses? So near too?
That leads to a totally illogical and totally impossible sharp S-turn between Morin, the CITGO gas station and the impact point. But if you place your
centerpoints all to the south of the witnesses and much further away, you would see that suddenly all is possible, like I did.
This is from my OpeningPost, my proposal for a large and VIABLE flight path arc, passing EXACTLY over ALL 4 of the North of CITGO witnesses positions
unearthed by the CIT guys. Included Terry Morin at the Navy Annex building.
And from Edward Paik's position backwards (westwards, to the left side of my map) you have to think of a straighter line than that part of my blue
arc-line, thus then connecting to the part of the real flightpath passing over the Golf Club grounds towards passing the south side of the Sheraton
Hotel and then partly over the roof of the car repair shop from Edward Paik.
It's obvious that my single arc has a far greater radius, than the 2 short ones that you proposed in your signature link to your thesis, written by
Which positions are also corroborated by the earliest interviews of the same persons (a few months after 9/11) by the CMH (Center for Military
History) interviewers and the Library of Congress interviewers :
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This horizontal flightpath arc fits EXACTLY all known Pentagon attack plane's witness positions, and all their witness statements.
And especially all the impact sightings from those in a position to see them with their own eyes, for example all the drivers on Route 27 in front of
the Pentagon west wall who said they saw a plane impact. Also the new NoC witnesses I found, the ones in the traffic jam, in front of the Helipad.
From west to east in my above viable flight path arc :
1. First western radius endpoint on the arc : Edward Paik at his garage near the Sheraton Hotel;
2. Second radius : Terry Morin, the guy between the 4th and 5th building of the Navy Annex;
3. Third radius : the Y-shaped antenna on top and at the center position on the roof of the Navy Annex 8th building, described by the Helipad tower
operator, Sean Boger as the point where he saw the attack plane passed over; Albert Hemphill at his window at the right top floor end of the east side
of the Navy Annex 8th building;
4. Fourth radius : Sgt. William Lagasse under the northern CITGO canopy; Sgt. Brooks across the road from the CITGO; Robert Turcios under the southern
After that fourth radius : all 5 Arlington National Cemetery workers; Vin Narayan, Penny Elgas and Christine Peterson in the north going center lane
on Route 27 in front of the Helipad; Steve Riskus on the opposite south going lane looking at the north corner side of the Helipad; Levi in the
furthest north western part of the South Parking Lot; Roosevelt Roberts 6 steps out from the South Loading Dock;
5. Fifth radius leads to the official and photographed impact point.
You and I probably will differ at first about the real position from Terry Morin, which I place 5 to 10 steps out of the door leading into the fifth
wing of the Navy Annex (very near that small white line in the center between wing 4 and 5 on your map), on his way back to his car to pick up his
clear lenses, after he saw that he brought only his sunglasses with him. That door is located in the center of that wing 5 building, that's important
The space between wing 4 and 5 is broader than one would think, and there was a S-shaped footpath inbetween the grass and bushes on both sides.
That's why he said he made a slight right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 . He did that on that small footpath, and not
on the parking place just outside wing 4 and 5, as you and many with you seem to think based on his words in the interview you referrred to in your
He however made another recorded telephone call, where he was just a bit more precise about the spot he was at, when AA77 flew over him. And that's
the 5 to 10 steps out from that 5th wing entrance door to the elevator hall, beside the 4 story corridor connection in the middle between wing 4 and
If he really was already 10 steps outside from wing 4 and 5, he would have said that he turned around and saw the plane coming. But he said that he
made a gentle
RIGHT turn (on that S-shaped footpath), then heard the plane's noise behind him and to his LEFT
, then turned to his
, then immediately realized that the thundering sound of the engines cascaded back from the wall of the fifth wing, and then he saw its body
passing over his head, while he was looking up from halfway inbetween those two Navy Annex wing buildings :
Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just
above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an
increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing
off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely
deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of
me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB).
If he walked already away from the wings 4 and 5 buildings, and was already on his way over the parking lot towards the security check-in building, he
only had to turn his head a tiny bit to his RIGHT to easily see the plane coming straight at him.
But he said he turned (his body) to the LEFT.
Because he heard the noise from BEHIND him, and to his LEFT. He was still inbetween the two buildings!
If he was were you think he was (your yellow placemarker pin on your map above), while already crossing the parking lot to the gate, he would have
heard and seen the plane coming in full sight from his RIGHT. He would have looked the pilot in his eyes, so to say.
If you however imagine him just outside and beside the 4 story corridor connection in the middle between wing 4 and 5, then all he said above falls in
And when you listen to his second interview with the CIT guys, he even better explained where he was. I have posted quite a lot about the Terry Morin
interviews years ago here, you'll have to look those up again for the links to his TWO interviews and my remarks then.
But his own words from that first interview you referred to and showed in your thesis says enough already.
To top it of, I would like to mention the two Pentagon Security police officers, Sgt. William Lagasse and Sgt. Brooks, who both swore that the plane
flew north of the CITGO roof.
And I met William online before he got interviewed by the CIT crew, and he definitely was a rabient Official Story defender! That's why I believe him
and his colleague.
They really heard and saw that plane flying north of the CITGO !